<p>He was also secretly responsible for Lili's new weapon being almost first-tier quality </p>

<div class="quote"><i>2600:1702:35B0:F10:10E0:DB6C:F469:26F5 wrote:
Finn proposed to Lily and sees her as a worthy wife to give him a pallium heir.</i></div>
<p>Yeah I find it funny that in Volume 1 that Bete Loga said that a lower class person has no business with Ais Wallenstein.  Yet his Captain one of the most powerful First Classed Adventurers proposed marriage to a Supporter who was Level 1 at the time before she just recently ranked up to Level 2. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Angelo Gabrini wrote: <p>At this point in the story the author's intentionally made it that way by having the debt revealed in DM8. Besides, they're trying to keep secrets and they can't just let anyone in </p> </i></div>
<p>About the debt, the author did it so that no unimportant person joined the Hestia family, he did not do it so that no one joined, people who have a friendship relationship with the Hestia family like Haruhime will surely want to join Despite the debt, something like when Tiona and Tione joined the Loki family would also work, in fact all this helped not to join many low-level people. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>That's terrible logic, only one floor below doesn't make that true. Also, the Astraea Familia wouldn't have had to protect lower level members as well like the Hestia Familia does </p> </i></div>
<p>How is it a terrible logic? It is the truth, there was no lv 5 in the Astrea family and they reached deeper than the 40th floor, it is a fact. </p><p>That the Astrea family has come so deep without any lv 5 does not mean that the Hestia family has to do the same, as far as we know Bell can already go up to lv 5 and if at some point her family goes so deep, Bell probably already be lv 5 and they will have more members, so protecting supports should not be a problem. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>You provide no realistic explanation as to why Anya, Chloe, and Lunoire would actually join the familia, or where those extra level 3 would come from. Your theory also relies so much on UnK+K </p> </i></div>
<p>It's just an example, I wasn't trying to say that that would happen, but if you want an explanation of "why Arnya Chloe and Lunire would come together," there are many possibilities: </p><p>- Freya forces Mia to be an active member of her family again and they close the Bar, the girls have nowhere to go and if Ryuu joins the Hestia family, then it is a place where they can go. </p><p>- After having gone to the dungeon and seeing Ryuu enter the Hestia family, they begin to consider that it would be fun, they talk about it and Mia finds out, then Mia dismisses them from work so they have an impulse to do so. </p><p>But I repeat, it is not what I was trying to say, it was just an example of people with high level joining the Hestia family for X reason. </p><p>Pd: And yes, I realize that this is only "if Ryuu joins the Hestia family", but I repeat again, it was just an example! </p><p>Level 3 people who could join the Hestia family there are many outside Orario, also remember that in an "expedition" the family that carries it out can bring other people while the family members are more in number, Dormul and his companions Luvis and his companions are an option both to accompany and to join, I hope not to see again a "why would they join?", As I repeat again, it is just an example, and many reasons can be invented. </p><p>And let's not forget the Xenos with their great ability to improve quickly and people who are currently comparable to the adventurous lv 5. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>I hope you haven't forgotten about Lili, Welf, Mikoto, and Haruhime, who could easily die from just being down that low. It's still not really realistic for the Hestia Familia to be down there without strong allies, not to mention the supplies they would need </p> </i></div>
<p>Why would they be depressed?, Welf is Blacksmith his pride is there, Lili is the commander and support, she knows what she has to do and has always been aware that she has no talent as an adventurer (Fighting), on the contrary I would say she will be happy that people stronger than her trust in her as a commander, Haruhime knows that she has to improve as a magician and support but with a magic like hers, the level does not matter much, what she needs to improve can improve it and have self-confidence without leveling up, and Mikoto will only be one year in the family, he only has about 8 months left? As I said before, the adventurers lv 3 can fight in a group on the 50th floor (Loki family does it) mikoto lv 2 + Haruhime magic = lv 3, not to mention his ability to detect enemies, his magic and his extensive handling of weapons that include weapons at a distance, no one is useless nor will it be, much less in a short time. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Yes, Bell and Ryuu did survive for a couple of days, but you're conveniently ignoring that they barely made it and got lucky finding what they needed </p> </i></div>
<p>And do you think that on a scheduled expedition they won't have what they need? in fact much more than the little they managed to find, they will not be injured before arriving, Ryuu will not be mentally affected by the Juggernaut and will have partners. </p><p>I do not ignore anything, only that there are more difficulties than the facilities, you do seem to ignore the fact that returning to the 37th floor Bell would not be hurt, tired and would have 700 more in each stat (if he goes to the 37th floor in vol 16 that I doubt it, probably when I go back to the 37th floor it will already be more than lv 5) and Ryuu if he updates his status will probably be in lv 5, seriously you think that 2 lv 5 can't fix them on the 37th floor with good equipment ?. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>The Ganesha Familia isn't really a dungeon exploration familia though </p> </i></div>
<p>Even if they are not they can enter the dungeon from time to time, but somewhere it is mentioned that they are not a family of the exploration type ?, I do not remember ... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>^In addition Astrea Familia had 11 members so they weren't really that small. My argument was in the case of a small familia with less than 10 members. </p> </i></div>
<p>If you were referring to the current Hestia family (5 members) then I agree, but it is not like they are going to launch on the 40th floor in vol 16, things in due course, are just exploring the 25th floor on their last expedition , they have a long way to go to the 40th floor. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Cmfh wrote:<div class="quote">Angelo Gabrini wrote: <p>At this point in the story the author's intentionally made it that way by having the debt revealed in DM8. Besides, they're trying to keep secrets and they can't just let anyone in </p> </i></div>
About the debt, the author did it so that no unimportant person joined the Hestia family, he did not do it so that no one joined, people who have a friendship relationship with the Hestia family like Haruhime will surely want to join Despite the debt, something like when Tiona and Tione joined the Loki family would also work, in fact all this helped not to join many low-level people.</div> <p>The just as well could have low level members have little to no screen time. Like the other major familia that has a hundred plus members but only nine have a real presence. Unimportant just means they don't need included in the story often not that it shouldn't exist. The debt is because the author want to only have the Hestia Familia small. Angelo's point about secrets still takes precedence as well. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">That's terrible logic, only one floor below doesn't make that true. Also, the Astraea Familia wouldn't have had to protect lower level members as well like the Hestia Familia does</i></div>
How is it a terrible logic? It is the truth, there was no lv 5 in the Astrea family and they reached deeper than the 40th floor, it is a fact. That the Astrea family has come so deep without any lv 5 does not mean that the Hestia family has to do the same, as far as we know Bell can already go up to lv 5 and if at some point her family goes so deep, Bell probably already be lv 5 and they will have more members, so protecting supports should not be a problem.</div> <p>It is terrible logic because it is unrealistic for the numerous level 2s and 3s to be cover by the two or three level 4s and 5s depending on how the author swings it. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">You provide no realistic explanation as to why Anya, Chloe, and Lunoire would actually join the familia, or where those extra level 3 would come from. Your theory also relies so much on UnK+K</i></div>
It's just an example, I wasn't trying to say that that would happen, but if you want an explanation of "why Arnya Chloe and Lunire would come together," there are many possibilities:</div> <p>You still aren't providing a practical reason for them to join. They have shown no interest in adventurering unlike Ryuu and all of this relies entirely on plot convienence. It does not make for a better story to just have everything conviently fall into Bell's lap all the time. </p><p>The Xenos still have limits of where they can help and only one has shown to have especially great growth, but we don't actually know how strong Asterius was at his creation. The rest have been at it for years it would seem. </p><p>You also said there are many level threes that could join from outside Orario. That doesn't fit the established plot at all and only one would actually make any sense. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Why would they be depressed?</i></div>
<p>Angelo never said depressed.  </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">Yes, Bell and Ryuu did survive for a couple of days, but you're conveniently ignoring that they barely made it and got lucky finding what they needed</i></div>
And do you think that on a scheduled expedition they won't have what they need? in fact much more than the little they managed to find, they will not be injured before arriving, Ryuu will not be mentally affected by the Juggernaut and will have partners. I do not ignore anything, only that there are more difficulties than the facilities, you do seem to ignore the fact that returning to the 37th floor Bell would not be hurt, tired and would have 700 more in each stat (if he goes to the 37th floor in vol 16 that I doubt it, probably when I go back to the 37th floor it will already be more than lv 5) and Ryuu if he updates his status will probably be in lv 5, seriously you think that 2 lv 5 can't fix them on the 37th floor with good equipment ?.</div> <p>That was a scheduled expedition. Angelo isn't ignoring any of that he is paying attention to what the plot establishes. That means the vast majority of the Hestia Familia has no business exploring the deep level unless they are in larger group to provide supplies and escort to non-combat capable members at that depth. Ryuu and Bell at level 5, good equiptment or not, still isn't practical for the rest of the familia and then the supply situation is unrealistic.  </p><p>The only way the Hestia Familia is reaching the 37th floor on their own is a short foray with a level five Bell and Ryuu. Anything else is just bad writing for what the author has established. </p> <div class="quote"><i>If you were referring to the current Hestia family (5 members) then I agree, but it is not like they are going to launch on the 40th floor in vol 16, things in due course, are just exploring the 25th floor on their last expedition , they have a long way to go to the 40th floor.</i></div>
<p>That is irrelevant, there is no way for the Hestia familia to become capable of reaching the deep levels without a significantly more powerful alliance or vastly expanding their members, unless it is many years later and the pacing makes that impossible. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>2001:8003:7460:9500:D5C1:BB9B:4B63:A6B2 wrote:<div class="quote">2600:1702:35B0:F10:10E0:DB6C:F469:26F5 wrote:
Finn proposed to Lily and sees her as a worthy wife to give him a pallium heir.</i></div>
Yeah I find it funny that in Volume 1 that Bete Loga said that a lower class person has no business with Ais Wallenstein.  Yet his Captain one of the most powerful First Classed Adventurers proposed marriage to a Supporter who was Level 1 at the time before she just recently ranked up to Level 2. </div> <p>that is very simple. the guy is supposed to be stronger - it is asian manga afterall. </p>

<p>If Hestia Familia consists of Lv5+ Bell, Lv5 Ryu, Lv3 Welf, Lv3 Mikoto, Lv2 Lili and Lv2 Haruhime, then they could reach the deep floors. But because they are small familia, it's very difficult for them to camp out the night in the 40th+ floors. So the furthest they could reach on their own depends on how far they could reach after leaving the 39th floor safe point and return on the same day. They will never reach the 50th floor on their own unless they gain many more members or at least Welf and Mikoto become Lv4. </p>

<p>i really dont understand why there is any more disagreement over this. the hestia familia will party with loki and other familias when it makes sense for firepower requirements. </p><p>we have already seen it in so12 and dm12. and the author is make it possible as the hestia members were able to survive in the difficult knossos battle. welf fighting with a demi spirit. haruhime surviving during the fight with filvis/ein.... etc. and they got out relatively unscathed when they both should  probably have been severely injured or dead. </p>

<p>I'm still on a thinking of why would they let Hestia Familia join them on an expedition into deeper floor? Even they who are big teams, sometimes faces death more frequently than we can assume as they are safe or not. Why would they take a risk even tho Hestia Familia have been going into Floor 37 to save Bell, they are somewhat lucky even tho they are barely survive while going there without Bell. Bell even barely survive too while in Floor 37. So why would Loki Familia take a gamble to invite Hestia Familia to expedition together to deeper floor? It's too much risk, and i'm sure they dont want to cause any death for other familia if they are the one who invite those familia. It's not like Hestia Familia is not naive enough to not take a protection from Loki Familia when they are in deeper floor and make a risk of death even bigger. It just that I think many of Hestia Familia or maybe all of them are naive that I think it will raise much more death flag to rise than anything. </p>

<p>Bell and Ryuu were trapped on floor 37, in the so called "deep floors" of the dungeon. Most monsters are level 3 or 4 in this area and the floors are massive. The floor also features colloseums where monsters spawn continuously and it is extremely easy to get ambushed and surrounded. This is definitely not a floor where low class adventurers can navigate without constant supervision. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>BurningLight7 wrote: Bell and Ryuu were trapped on floor 37, in the so called "deep floors" of the dungeon. Most monsters are level 3 or 4 in this area and the floors are massive. The floor also features colloseums where monsters spawn continuously and it is extremely easy to get ambushed and surrounded. This is definitely not a floor where low class adventurers can navigate without constant supervision. </p> </i></div>
<p>Ah yes sorry, i forgot it's 37th Floor. I dont even remember the last time I read the lore. </p>