<div class="quote"><i> <p>Airhead07 wrote: So far there are 2 routes Bell X Aiz and Bell X Harem the most feasible is the first. </p> </i></div>
<p>Finally someone that gets it </p>

<p>Rigel31415 </p><p>Its so obvious that the author is setting up a harem. He’s been foreshadowing it the entire series. But think what you want. </p><p>Also what other LNs were you talking about where a bunch of girls like the main protagonist romantically, main protagonist is interested in a harem, and it’s a fantasy world and the main protagonist doesn’t get a harem? </p>

<p>There are animes with harems in which the protagonist doesn’t end up with one because he loves only one girl. If Bell wanted a harem now I would say it would end with one but he doesn’t want it now, he WANTED one in the past not now. I am talking about anime’s with harems in general there is not necessity to be so similar in order to compare it and I repeat Bell doesn’t want one. Or give me proofs that he wants a harem now and I will shut up, as simple as that. </p>

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Rigel31415 <p>Y’all just don’t take hints do ya? Its so obvious that the author is setting up a harem. He’s been foreshadowing it the entire series. But think what you want. </p><p>Also what other LNs were you talking about where a bunch of girls like the main protagonist romantically, main protagonist is interested in a harem, and it’s a fantasy world and the main protagonist doesn’t get a harem? </p> </i></div>
<p>It is true that he wanted a harem the first time he arrived in Orario, however, this idea was forgotten after meeting Aiz Wallenstein and winning Liaris Freese. </p>

<p>Actually, Bell having wanted a harem originally is not entirely accurate.  </p><p>The harem goal that is sometimes mentioned as his original goal that some people talk about is an oversimplification of the beginning of the story. Bell tells us that he replaced wanting to be a hero to starting a harem because he didn't believe he could become a hero. His real goal there is hidden just under the surface, he wants to start a harem because that what his grandpa taught him heroes do, he still desires to be a hero even if he doesn't admit it to himself. Another point that is overlooked is him telling us came to Orario to meet the girl of his dreams. </p>

<p>Rigel31415 So you don’t know of any LNs like that. Okay. Also why would you not compare it to other similar LNs? There is a pretty clear formula for harem LNs. MC wants a harem + bunch of girls love MC + fantasy world = harem. I’m willing to bet that formula stands true for 99% of all harem LNs. </p><p>Also to anyone else: Bell wanting a harem at the beginning was very clearly foreshadowing him having one. Why else would the author keep introducing pretty girls that are in love with him? Also his Grandpa Zeus, is mostly likely going to come back into bells life at some point. This also adds to the likely hood of a harem. </p>

<p>@anon  </p><p>If you can't post without insulting other users don't. You are entitle to you opinion, but that is all it is, yours is no more valid than anyone else's. Additionally you have not  addressed Rigel's stance, all you are doing is saying he is wrong without providing plausible explanations. A claim of something is irrevelent unless you can explain it with the existing plot and narrative of the story. </p><p>As for why would an author continue adding character interested in the male lead? Well, for one thing in the absences of actually knowing how to develop romantic relationships, the common trope is to just throw more female characters at said character without actually developing them and having all of the characters take a very similair character template, i.e. most of the girls take a similar template once they develop feelings for Bell with little to no individuality.. In short, because Oomori doesn't know how to write romance he relies on adding more and more girls to make up for that deficiency by adding more girls to try and create tension and more obstacles. </p><p>It is an incredibly common trope for less skilled and/or well read authors to rely on the harem concept to make up for a lack of know how when writing romance. The constant additions my leave the BellxHarem option open, but it and the rest of the plotting does not make BellxAis impossible and fairly argued can be seen as more likely. </p><p>Edit: By the way, since Bell didn't actually want a harem at the start of the series your claim on foreshadowing is irrelevent. </p>

<p>Sure remove my comments? Did I make some actual points or something? Too bad it’s deleted so people can’t decide for themselves. </p><p>you lose any arguments when you try to suppress speech, especially in an free online forum. Bit of an abuse of power imo. </p><p>I never insulted anybody. I was very objective in my responses and always have explained why people were wrong in their thinking. You can no longer read any of constructive opinions cause they were deleted by you. </p><p>I absolutely addressed Rigel’s response. Multiple times. Rigels opinion was that I couldn’t compare danmachi to other similar LNs, not sure why. He never gave me a reason that I could make out. I explained that comparing reoccurring themes is what you do when studying literature, but once again you can’t read that anymore, cause you deleted it. </p><p>I also pointed out that Harem LNs have a pretty simple formula: MC wants a harem + A bunch of girls like MC romantically + Fantasy setting = Harem. </p><p>I asked Rigel to name me another LN that had all of these factors without a harem, but he didn’t respond before you deleted my insights. </p><p>You say I haven’t given plausible evidence, well I say I’ve given plenty due to the simple harem formula. </p><p>if you think my foreshadow claim is incorrect, you can look to other foreshadowing. Such as Bells grandfather pestering him about women and harems. Or the fact that there are about a dozen women who like bell romantically. </p><p>Also I haven’t read the first couple of novels cause I went from s1 of anime to LN, but I had heard that bell stated he wanted a harem. Maybe it didn’t happen, But you also kinda destroyed Rigels position of bell x ais, because his main point was that Ais made bell for get about coming to Orario to get a harem. </p><p>I would agree with you that this author is a bit weak when writing about romance, but that has nothing to do with the harem bit. He’s weak in a sense that he makes pussy characters that skate around love. I’ve actually talked about this rather extensively in another thread about vol 16. The author is quite clearly setting up a harem not because he’s bad at writing romance but because that’s the story he wanted to make. </p><p>I also questioned Rigel a bit on what would have to happen to only end up with ais and bell. Freya would have to give up on bell. His grandfather Zeus who I’m assuming is going to comeback into his life can’t encourage a harem, or Hermes for that matter. Hestia would have to give up on bell. Haruhime would remain the disgraced prostitute who could never be with the hero. Ryuu wouldn’t be able be with the man that saved her. Syr would have to grow disinterested in bell. Lily would just be another prum forced into a political marriage. And so many other unsatisfying ends. </p><p>but please delete my post if it some how upsets your subjective opinion. You after all have to the power to do so, it wouldn’t be an abuse of power or nothing right? </p>

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Sure remove my comments? Did I make some actual points or something? Too bad it’s deleted so people can’t decide for themselves.</i></div>
<p>If you keep the insults out of your first sentences I don't have a reason to remove them, do I? </p> <div class="quote"><i>you lose any arguments when you try to suppress speech, especially in an free online forum. Bit of an abuse of power imo.</i></div>
<p>Not really you are more than welcome to post your points without calling other users numb nuts, illiterate, and passively calling people dumb. </p> <div class="quote"><i>I never insulted anybody. I was very objective in my responses and always have explained why people were wrong in their thinking. You can no longer read any of constructive opinions cause they were deleted by you.</i></div>
<p>I'll restore part of your posts, because complete removal was a bit excessive, however calling people numb nuts, asking if they are illiterate, and saying people can't take hints is an insult. This is the only time I will do this, if you continue to use such language I will just summarily remove your posts.  </p>

<p>@anon </p><p>In the formula(that I admit is usually used) you include "MC wants a harem" but as many of us had already said Bell doesn’t want one. Zeus told him to get one and that was the only reason he wanted one. By what I read you hadn’t read the first Volume so I will explain it(quickly since it’s not too much). Bell said he wanted a harem, that is true, but he also said that he didn’t wanted one after meeting Ais and falling in love with her, it is even in the wiki if you don’t want to read the first Volume. </p><p>What I mean is not that you can’t compare DanMachi with other LNs, just that it doesn’t need to be so similar in order to compare them, while most fantasy anime’s with a harem end up with one it is as you said because the MC wants one too, which is not the case here. </p><p>The fact that Zeus is going to come back doesn’t mean he has to get a harem. Only because Zeus told him to get one it doesn’t mean that he should, it is like if someone said that you have to become a lawyer just because your parents told you, at the end is your decision what you do with your life and your decision if you do what people tell you to do or not. </p><p>My point is not that Ais made Bell forget about having a harem. It is that Bell doesn’t want a harem, the encounter with Ais is just the cause of it and something that I used to prove my point. While that could be wrong considering what Kevhunt said there is still evidence to support my point so it doesn’t affect it at all. </p><p>I had said it already a lot of times but one more: Bell doesn’t want a harem. You are saying a lot that he wants it while many of us had already said that he doesn’t want one and use proofs that appear in the LN. It also invalids the formula that you talk about since it requires a MC that wants a harem. I may be repeating what I just said but it is to make it clear in one paragraph the point of all this and leave the explanation of each point in the first ones. </p>