<p>Sure remove my comments? Did I make some actual points or something? Too bad it’s deleted so people can’t decide for themselves. </p><p>you lose any arguments when you try to suppress speech, especially in an free online forum. Bit of an abuse of power imo. </p><p>I never insulted anybody. I was very objective in my responses and always have explained why people were wrong in their thinking. You can no longer read any of constructive opinions cause they were deleted by you. </p><p>I absolutely addressed Rigel’s response. Multiple times. Rigels opinion was that I couldn’t compare danmachi to other similar LNs, not sure why. He never gave me a reason that I could make out. I explained that comparing reoccurring themes is what you do when studying literature, but once again you can’t read that anymore, cause you deleted it. </p><p>I also pointed out that Harem LNs have a pretty simple formula: MC wants a harem + A bunch of girls like MC romantically + Fantasy setting = Harem. </p><p>I asked Rigel to name me another LN that had all of these factors without a harem, but he didn’t respond before you deleted my insights. </p><p>You say I haven’t given plausible evidence, well I say I’ve given plenty due to the simple harem formula. </p><p>if you think my foreshadow claim is incorrect, you can look to other foreshadowing. Such as Bells grandfather pestering him about women and harems. Or the fact that there are about a dozen women who like bell romantically. </p><p>Also I haven’t read the first couple of novels cause I went from s1 of anime to LN, but I had heard that bell stated he wanted a harem. Maybe it didn’t happen, But you also kinda destroyed Rigels position of bell x ais, because his main point was that Ais made bell for get about coming to Orario to get a harem. </p><p>I would agree with you that this author is a bit weak when writing about romance, but that has nothing to do with the harem bit. He’s weak in a sense that he makes pussy characters that skate around love. I’ve actually talked about this rather extensively in another thread about vol 16. The author is quite clearly setting up a harem not because he’s bad at writing romance but because that’s the story he wanted to make. </p><p>I also questioned Rigel a bit on what would have to happen to only end up with ais and bell. Freya would have to give up on bell. His grandfather Zeus who I’m assuming is going to comeback into his life can’t encourage a harem, or Hermes for that matter. Hestia would have to give up on bell. Haruhime would remain the disgraced prostitute who could never be with the hero. Ryuu wouldn’t be able be with the man that saved her. Syr would have to grow disinterested in bell. Lily would just be another prum forced into a political marriage. And so many other unsatisfying ends. </p><p>but please delete my post if it some how upsets your subjective opinion. You after all have to the power to do so, it wouldn’t be an abuse of power or nothing right? </p>

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Sure remove my comments? Did I make some actual points or something? Too bad it’s deleted so people can’t decide for themselves.</i></div>
<p>If you keep the insults out of your first sentences I don't have a reason to remove them, do I? </p> <div class="quote"><i>you lose any arguments when you try to suppress speech, especially in an free online forum. Bit of an abuse of power imo.</i></div>
<p>Not really you are more than welcome to post your points without calling other users numb nuts, illiterate, and passively calling people dumb. </p> <div class="quote"><i>I never insulted anybody. I was very objective in my responses and always have explained why people were wrong in their thinking. You can no longer read any of constructive opinions cause they were deleted by you.</i></div>
<p>I'll restore part of your posts, because complete removal was a bit excessive, however calling people numb nuts, asking if they are illiterate, and saying people can't take hints is an insult. This is the only time I will do this, if you continue to use such language I will just summarily remove your posts.  </p>

<p>@anon </p><p>In the formula(that I admit is usually used) you include "MC wants a harem" but as many of us had already said Bell doesn’t want one. Zeus told him to get one and that was the only reason he wanted one. By what I read you hadn’t read the first Volume so I will explain it(quickly since it’s not too much). Bell said he wanted a harem, that is true, but he also said that he didn’t wanted one after meeting Ais and falling in love with her, it is even in the wiki if you don’t want to read the first Volume. </p><p>What I mean is not that you can’t compare DanMachi with other LNs, just that it doesn’t need to be so similar in order to compare them, while most fantasy anime’s with a harem end up with one it is as you said because the MC wants one too, which is not the case here. </p><p>The fact that Zeus is going to come back doesn’t mean he has to get a harem. Only because Zeus told him to get one it doesn’t mean that he should, it is like if someone said that you have to become a lawyer just because your parents told you, at the end is your decision what you do with your life and your decision if you do what people tell you to do or not. </p><p>My point is not that Ais made Bell forget about having a harem. It is that Bell doesn’t want a harem, the encounter with Ais is just the cause of it and something that I used to prove my point. While that could be wrong considering what Kevhunt said there is still evidence to support my point so it doesn’t affect it at all. </p><p>I had said it already a lot of times but one more: Bell doesn’t want a harem. You are saying a lot that he wants it while many of us had already said that he doesn’t want one and use proofs that appear in the LN. It also invalids the formula that you talk about since it requires a MC that wants a harem. I may be repeating what I just said but it is to make it clear in one paragraph the point of all this and leave the explanation of each point in the first ones. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Quote: I absolutely addressed Rigel’s response. Multiple times. Rigels opinion was that I couldn’t compare danmachi to other similar LNs, not sure why. He never gave me a reason that I could make out. </i></div>
<p>His reason was that you are using blanket statement, multiple girls interested in MC=Harem. This is not a viable conclusion as it is relatively common for multiple character to have feelings for a MC and still end in a monogamous relationship. </p> <div class="quote"><i>I also pointed out that Harem LNs have a pretty simple formula: MC wants a harem + A bunch of girls like MC romantically + Fantasy setting = Harem.</i></div>
<p>The problem here is the broadness of the term harem in LNs. MCs never showing an interest in a harem sometimes end up with one or other times the do and don't. Even series just have the characters having feelings but end without a resolution or no relationships at all are counted as harem. </p> <div class="quote"><i>I asked Rigel to name me another LN that had all of these factors without a harem, but he didn’t respond before you deleted my insights.</i></div>
<p>Considering you added factors that don't exist in the story... </p> <div class="quote"><i>You say I haven’t given plausible evidence, well I say I’ve given plenty due to the simple harem formula.</i></div>
<p>Again, you are using abc logic, this is flawed at best considering the variations in what is or can be considered harem. </p> <div class="quote"><i>if you think my foreshadow claim is incorrect, you can look to other foreshadowing. Such as Bells grandfather pestering him about women and harems. Or the fact that there are about a dozen women who like bell romantically.</i></div>
<p>You are ignoring the various plot details that go the otherway. Such as Liaris Freese itself, Bell actual lack of interest in a harem, Ais's plotting in the series as the main girl, the slow build up to that end, and Bell viewing all other girls in a different capacity. If Oomori could write romance worth a damn he would have focused more on that, harem or otherwise. Building on those different types of relationships rather than everyone becoming slight variations of the same template. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Also I haven’t read the first couple of novels cause I went from s1 of anime to LN, but I had heard that bell stated he wanted a harem. Maybe it didn’t happen, But you also kinda destroyed Rigels position of bell x ais, because his main point was that Ais made bell for get about coming to Orario to get a harem.</i></div>
<p>This is quite clearly interpretive bias. By saying Bell was never interested in a harem to begin with and that he came to Orario to find the girl of his dreams supports Rigels positions. After the events involving the minotaur on the 6th floor he becomes interested only in Ais and Liaris Freese is strictly targeted to his feelings for her. Ais is also the only person the in 15 volumes Bell show any romantic interest in what so ever. </p> <div class="quote"><i>I would agree with you that this author is a bit weak when writing about romance, but that has nothing to do with the harem bit. He’s weak in a sense that he makes pussy characters that skate around love. I’ve actually talked about this rather extensively in another thread about vol 16. The author is quite clearly setting up a harem not because he’s bad at writing romance but because that’s the story he wanted to make.</i></div>
<p>This is your interpretation, not necessarily what the author intends, try and keep in mind they aren't the same thing. Bell is 14, do you really expect him to be a suave player  and get with all the girls? Like most 14 year olds he can't even have a conversation with a girl he is attracted to without blushing and becoming embarrassed. He doesn't skate around love, he views himself as unworthy of loving that person. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Hestia would have to give up on bell. Haruhime would remain the disgraced prostitute who could never be with the hero. Ryuu wouldn’t be able be with the man that saved her. Syr would have to grow disinterested in bell. Lily would just be another prum forced into a political marriage. </i></div>
<p>The other girls would have to move on and find some other person to love them. Kind of a regular thing in real life. Yes this is a valid argument for BellxHarem, but there is still plotting and narrative elements that suggest the other outcome as well. It is entirely possible for the author to decide to broaden the perspective possible relationships. Additionally Zeus was actually contradictory to the harem thing at times. </p> <div class="quote"><i>but please delete my post if it some how upsets your subjective opinion. You after all have to the power to do so, it wouldn’t be an abuse of power or nothing right?</i></div>
<p>Your positions aren't remotely subjective. I don't care which way the author chooses to go with his romance sub plot.  </p>

<p>The dude I said “Hey numb nuts”  to was a response to him taking a joke I said about welf being included in the harem seriously. I believe he called it “disgusting.” Perhaps a bit homopphobic. Not that I’m “offended”, just felt like saying “hey numb nuts that was a joke,” clowning on him a bit. Despite being a little excessive, I still feel my response was warranted and not in poor taste. </p><p>The dude you say I called illiterate, told me that I shouldn’t compare Danmachi to other alike LNs, still not sure at all why he said that. He never backed up that claim or even mentioned a reason why we shouldn’t compare LNs. I can only assume my point hit its mark, so he fired back with some bull like we shouldn’t compare similar LNs. So I proceeded to clown him by asking him if he ditched his literature class, as comparing books and their themes is a big chunk of any literature class. </p><p>I’m not really sure what you mean or want me to do about passively calling people dumb, but the next time I decide to “clown” on somebody in a public open forum, I’ll make sure to get your permission first. Or the fandom police’s? Not quite sure who’s permission I need to clown on people but whatever. </p><p>I would also like you to remove the parts where you state that I never backed up my claims with actual evidence and dodged Rigels points. You had nothing to say about any of my claims, and even went so far as to restore my comments after realizing that you were indeed wrong. </p><p>Also I still stand by my claim that you lose any arguments when you try to suppress speech. If my insults burn that bad, perhaps the content of my insults were a bit too on target. Instead of deleting my comments I suggest you re-examine yourself and take my insults as constructive criticism and use it to improve oneself. Or if the insults were off target either shrug it off or explain why they are off target. </p><p>For instance that Rigel guy could’ve explained what he learned in his lit classes and explained how he applied it to his thoughts on danmachi. </p><p>Cheers! </p>

Everything past the first 7 or so replies is off topic anyway

<p>I saw that you edited your comment attempting to address the my claims, but you shrugged everything off or knowingly took it out of context. For example when you said I was using a blanket statement, you didn’t use my full 3 point harem equation. You just used one, and said it wasn’t enough to compare with other LNs despite my full comment being on the same page. That’s just dishonest. </p><p>You keep talking about LNs that “skirt” my equation but refuse to name them. I’m assuming that you do that so your argument doesn’t fall apart. I’ll name all the harem LNs I can think of off of the top of my head: Arifureta, high school dxd, time I got reincarnated as a slime(ends up a harem in webnovel), in another world with my smartphone, date a live, infinite stratos, sekirei, death march in another world. They all fit my equation. Please name me a title that’s a harem and doesn’t fit my 3 variable equation. </p><p>Also I don’t believe Liaris Friese is strictly tied to Ais. It’s just listed as “strong emotions or feelings.” Things such as wanting to get strong enough to get up the xenos out of the dungeon, paying off the Hestia knife, wanting to protect other people, etc should all apply. Also even if it’s strictly tied to Ais doesn’t necessarily meany bell feeling change just cause he’s with other girls at the same time. </p><p>Also maybe you were a bit of shy 14 year old, but 14 year old boys are typically horny outta their fucking mind, so I’m not sure where you got the notion that bell feels unworthy of love. Perhaps from goddess but not from say Ryuu or haruhime or lily or etc. If the author was writing realistically bell and Ryuu would’ve been banging in the dungeon safe zone on floor 37 in ln 14. But the author likes skate around that kinda stuff. Probably because he’s not good at writing romantic novels. </p><p>Also I never said I wasn’t subjective although I am speaking more objectively then any else in this thread from what I’ve seen. I have my own opinions and interpretations but I apply it to what I know about other harem LNs and literature. </p><p>Anyway at this point you’re arguing like a child having a tantrum, “misinterpreting” things or taking my words out of context. If you do it again, I probably won’t reply. I’m not a fan of debating with brick walls or children for that matter. Also this off topic anyway, like Angelo said. So I’ll probs just leave this argument alone for the foreseeable future. I felt like I got my point across but you stubbornly won’t see it, so it doesn’t really matter anyway. Later </p>

<p>To 71.201.16.135 High school dxd, time I got reincarnated as a slime(ends up a harem in webnovel), date a live and death march in another world I didn't read so I can't comment. In another world with my smartphone, infinite stratos and sekirei as far as I read they fit your equation. Arifureta on the other hand does not fit very well since the protagonist Hajime is only interested in Yue and never showed interest in a harem. (I may be wrong since I just read the beginning of the light novel and I don't remember it right - the manga and anime are much more advanced than I read on LN)   </p><p>
Sword art online and Rakudai kishi no cavalry don't fit your equation </p><p>
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Ps .: before calling someone a child I suggest you create an account and log in because it seems too immature and cowardly to call others a child while staying anonymous behind a temporary IP. </p>

<p>@anon </p><p>You are not addressing in all of you comments one point which is the one that invalids all of your claims. Bell doesn’t want a harem. </p><p>Kevhunt may had used only a part of your formula but I used all of it and I hadn’t seen you say something about it, so I will repeat myself once again. Based in your formula it makes the end with a harem not possible since Bell doesn’t want one(something that you don’t admit). You are using only parts of the LN that prove your point without taking in count the others that contradict it which are more and even more solid than the ones you use. </p><p>You say Kevhunt misinterpret your claims but you also do the same with mine. You are saying that I said that we shouldn’t compare DanMachi with other LN while what I said is that are plenty more to compare with than you propose. </p><p>Liaris Freese is usually interpreted as it takes in count other goals and feelings, but it had already been said(by people that know Japanese) that it is not totally accurate the translation, that if you read it directly in Japanese is phrased in a way that specifies it only works based in Bell’s feelings for Ais. </p><p>Until you respond to this and stop insulting people you can’t really say you are answering to my claims. Also you are actually being as childish as you say Kevhunt is. </p>

<p>Do not go too far in your ideas until you lose their meaning, remember that you are only Theorizing about a possibility that it has a high probability or not </p><p>There are special topics for this as engelo said </p><p>For who is from the end of LN 15: </p><p>I find it very interesting that Bell receives personal information about Aiz Wallenstein, although he does not know what the name of Albert Wallendstein means in Aiz, he still has questions about that, we can theorize that in very soon the Arc Aiz will start, I want to say FINALLY. </p><p>Little questioning about the identity of this character because he looks strangely like Bell from a physical point of view, could it be that Bell and Aiz is the reincarnation of Aria and Albert?
I ask myself this question. </p><p>then the fact of seeing Aiz cry must have prompted a lot of questions from Bell Crannel, the only times he saw Aiz sad / angry is in volume 8 when they talk about the scale of the BDEO and at the end of the volume 15, will Bell make the link? Maybe a lack of clue but it's a very small possibility </p><p>The fact that Aiz did not answer Bell when he called him must work him even more and find it suspicious, will Bell ask Aiz questions about his father's grave in a clumsy way? </p><p>I would like to have your opinions. </p>