<div class="quote"><i>Angelo Gabrini wrote: <p>It would be subjective if I was nitpicking like you are, but Kevhunt and I are giving valid criticism. You just don't like your favorite story being criticized </p> </i></div>
<p>Well then phrase it in another way: Your citicism is objective, but its subjective how serious you take the problems in a story. For example, I do realize that the author could have written many things better and that there are mistakes in the story. Nevertheless, I really enjoy the story, cause I dont mind those problems. And I think that most Danmachi readers think the same way, otherwise the story wouldnt be popular anymore. </p><p>To refer to the topic: Imho I think that Aiz is an interesting chracter, mostly because she doesnt have much screentime, which makes her inner struggle very mysterious. That leads you to speculate about her, which again enables you to realte to her in a very special way. I think that the author has set a good stage for a beatiful character developement of both Bell and Aiz and to build up a realistic relationship. At least, if the author doesnt screw this up (hopefully!!) </p>

<p>You gotta admit that Bell Cranel and Ais Wallenstein have a lot in common. Their lack of parents is something that Ais can't help but feel a connection with. Their motivations are also closely related, with both of them desiring to become stronger and ironically both consider the other example for how to do so. Both became Adventurers when they lost their family. Grew up on stories of a hero meeting a girl and grew strong at a ridiculous rate (even though Bell is even more ridiculous due to his skill). But Cranel kept his ideals while Ais has thrown them away. Both of their main respective weapons are Unbreakable and rarely need to get sharpened. Both are the favorite of their respective Goddess. They both have a Beast Human in their Familia that have the hots for them. For Bell it's Haruhime a Renard and for Ais it's Bete a Werewolf. </p>

<p>@Angelo Gabrini </p><p>Sorry to have massacred your username </p><p>I did not say that her soul was transparent but I said that I find her soul pure, and by pure I include being honest, sincere, and full of other criteria and it reminds me of that of bell I never said that she had the same kind of soul, and then gold is not a bad color it seems to me. </p><p>I pretend nothing at the beginning of my answer I said that it was subjective, and it is a feeling may be that you do not have this feeling in any case for me it is, and I recall that 'None of us is able to pretend and claim that we hold the strict truth, so the statements you make will only make sense at the end of the work. </p><p>In my opinion they are both of interest but not only material, Bell his objectives are clear, to be with Aiz to fight with these sides and to make sort of being a hero, Aiz wishes to recover only his mother BUT his relationship with Bell impact and slows down his idea of ​​veangence, it's not only the purity of bell that slows Aiz, but Bell as a whole, so somewhere Bell has a positive impact on Aiz and with more interaction between the two it will be all the more important because so far we have had very little.
This is not the question, they saw an emotional progression at Aiz and let it go. </p><p>In what did I tease, you asked me a question of why I like Aiz I answered frankly, if my subjective opinion is invalid at the end of the work is it the end of the world?
You claim that your argument is valid but it is subjective, if your argument turns out to be as valid as you claim it will be confirmed at the end of the work, I am not trying to "criticize" your argument as long as it is subjective this does not concern me, you have the right to believe in what you want, and I have the right to hope that my dream comes true, do not forget that what you provide is just your opinion and that of one of your friend but not of all readers, and not everyone thinks like you. </p><p>
No it's wrong, you can criticize my objective arguments as long as you want there are many in other topics or my arguments do not necessarily follow my subjectivity. </p><p>Subjectivity is a "deep wish of the reader" </p><p>If you criticize my subjectivity it will have no meaning it is as if I say to you that "you are wrong to hate Aiz" necessarily you have your own reasons to hate this character as I have my own reasons for loving this character and that is respectable, but you would surely not accept that one can return to your intimacy and impose your objective argument on a comment which basic is subjective, tastes and colors are not discussed, if your argument if your criticism turns out to be true it will have no impact on my life I would just be disappointed that my wish is not fulfilled and I will continue to follow the adventures of Bell Crannel and Aiz Wallenstein by accepting the truth and admit that you had reason, but for the moment neither you nor I have the end of this novel, therefore sorry if that upsets you but you do not hold the absolute truth, nevertheless you have a good critical spirit and of good theory which one knew m 'lighti read and evolve my objective reviews, I learn a lot by reading you without forgetting Kevhunt06. </p>

<p>What's the point of the discussion thread if you're just going to say that your opinion is subjective? I want to have an actual discussion on why people think that way, I'm not here just to say "you're wrong about this". Critiquing each others' positions is part of a discussion </p>

<p>doesn't matter Ryuu is better.  </p>

<p>@Gozulolz </p><p>I can pick apart you position whether you are trying to be subjective or objective. Subjective just means you are influenced by your personal biases. That is something that affects absolutely every person no matter how objective and impartial they might try to be. There is no escaping the reality that we are all partial creatures by nature. If anything reading other people critiques of one's opinions is a great way to learn to be more introspective in each of our own writing. People learn far more from their mistakes than they do from their successes. </p><p>You and most Ais fans miss most if not all of the characterization behind her character. Honestly it is a bit frustrating how many time I've had to explain why she is and behaves the she does. Most people chalk it up to being airheaded and immature but that is realistically a gross misunderstanding. </p><p>Angelo and I do not hate Ais, what we are is disappointed in where the author has decided to go with the character and his story in general. If I wasn't invested in the series, I wouldn't be able to write the long critique essays I do about the series. What is annoying with Ais is that her fans constantly have interpretations of the character that have no basis. Without SO she would be a Mcguffin, there is exactly two piece of mystery revealed about her character until DM 15 and one of those is impossible to pick out without reading SO and the other is easier to find but is largely meaningless with SO again. </p><p>We may not be able to know how the story will end, but that doesn't mean it is impossible to understand the characters and where they stand. Ais was once my favorite character in the series because of the subtext surrounding her character, but the author ruined much if no all of that in SO12. There was so much buildup, plotting, and narrative tension going into that volume that the author could have crafted a masterful close to a story arc spanning 12 volumes. To more experienced and well read readers SO 12 and FC EF are a travesty of good story telling.  </p>

<p>@Kevhunt06 </p><p>
Subjective means being influenced by these fantasies and these desires without necessary reasons, it's like saying that I love Aiz because she is blonde, for you is not a sufficient argument but it is subjective a detail is enough to love a character for a reason x if we talk about subjectivity, but objectively I would have made another speech, the problem with Angelo's question is that it automatically pushes the person out of subjective arguments, and given that qu 'she likes this character, you should know that I am just as disappointed as you are writing Aiz AFTER the LN of season 1 but that is not to say that I must give up hope and say that the writing of Aiz is done </p><p>Without wanting to offend you, this is "your point of view" and your analysis on the character that will influence the fans of Aiz, I am by no means enclosing the idea of ​​understanding your point of view but do not forget that that it is only "your" vision of Aiz and that you can certainly not claim that it is the strict truth, the only thing which pushes me to not be 100% in agreement with your remarks are your affirmations, I know Aiz Wallenstein's character very well but do not confuse my own arguments of Aiz which are based on aspects of the character which I liked (subjective argument) with the strict reality which is far from my subjective arguments . </p><p>You can understand the character of Aiz without imposing your choice vision, we all follow the evolution of the character with different points of view and objective arguments that evolve I prefer to say that my objective arguments are a theory rather than to say "this is how the author wrote it and no one can dispute it" I am far from being against your ideals about Aiz I even agree with most of your arguments but do not try to "criticize" subjective arguments, it is strictly useless, that being said I pass to a more objective answer that we can debate without taking the head. </p><p>But it is absolutely normal and logical that SO exists, otherwise the work of Oomori would be incomplete, this allows us to better understand the character, how he thinks and how he interacts with the other characters, and to know more about them. possible future threats that bell will face, and other interesting information. </p><p>Two pieces of mystery? Very well I would like to know them please. </p>

<p>In my opinion, you need to start being objective in addition to being subjective. Forums are a place to discuss/argue stuff; being subjective and getting offended when people don't share your opinion is not the way to do it </p><p>I know my question is off topic, so here's my take on the topic: I'd prefer it that Bell train with all sorts of people than just Ais; that way he can learn a variety of techniques and ways to counter said techniques instead of being carbon copy of Ais like Raul and the others pointed out in SO12. What's stopping this from happening is the familia system which seems totally unnecessary </p>

Well he has trained with Ryuu Lion. Also Tiona Hiryute helped Ais train Bell for the War Game against the Apollo Familia.

<p>Bell also trains with Ryuu, in case you've forgotten. There was Tiona that one time as well. We've also gotten some mentions of him training with Mikoto, though I doubt she actually taught him much of anything. I'm curious as to why you think the familia system is to blame though. Even if there weren't implicit rules against that sort of thing (rules which are so lax that they aren't even rules), would the situation really change that much? How many additional people do you think would spring up to train him? </p>