<div class="quote"><i> <p>Angelo Gabrini wrote: There's nothing to suggest they were old, and we aren't criticizing the characters themselves at all. I'd suggest you go back and actually read our posts </p><p>Burninglight actually had an argument but you just sound salty. People have differing opinions you know. If you're feeling frustrated I'd recommend calming down before posting anything </p> </i></div>
<p>Do you see any point in discussing something we don't know yet? why not wait for the information to come out just to start arguing with SOLID things? think about it man, not everything in life is to be a "salty" :) </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Little Ro wrote: <p>Do you see any point in discussing something we don't know yet? why not wait for the information to come out just to start arguing with SOLID things? think about it man, not everything in life is to be a "salty" :) </p> </i></div>
<p>Maybe because there is 29 volumes of plot, lore, and narrative to work with? </p>

<p>Just a theory, but what if in one of the later books of this series it revealed that Zeus and Hera's Familias have gone past floor 59? </p><p>To be honest I wouldn't be surprised at all. The guild and Ouranos keeps a lot of secrets about the dungeon the farther down you go for many reasons the series has revealed already. I can easily have seen them going down there once and there being something so fearsome that the guil didn't want anyone to have any public knowledge of beyond them because it may scare the citizens and none of the other adventurers alive could even make it down there. </p><p>It would explain how they leveled up past level 7 and it's also possible that the could have gotten there level ups from Behemoth and Leviathan.  </p><p>
It is a surprising, but I was starting to think already that Bell was going to level up higher than any other character eventually and I have a feeling the author is going to make Aiz level up to level 7 just before Bell hits level 6 although that would be crazy fast for her, but it wouldn't be first time in a long shot that the author did something like that in the series. </p><p>
Tiona and Tione was even originally described as level 3 supporters in Book 2 of the main series before the author decided to make Sword Oratoria. Really surprised they never re-edited that, it's like it both in the Japanese original volume and yen press </p>

<p>My opinion is that when the hera and zeus familia were wiped by the dragon , a new era begun because there's no lvl 8 and 9 anymore so calling ottar the strongest now is reasonable, but the author should think now ,what he's gonna do because he made a mess putting the oedb so strong and made me think how strong was ais father <(-_-)> </p>

  Ps: sry my bad English

<p>The entire city is built on top of the great pit of doom with only Ouranos's will holding down the monsters. Having them need to hide something is just to much of a stretch, especially given the guild is encouraging deeper exploration. If it was something that was problematic for Zeus or Hera it would be utterly irresponsible to allow the Loki Familia to try to get there. It's the kind of retroactive plotting that does more harm than good. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Kevhunt06 wrote:
The entire city is built on top of the great pit of doom with only Ouranos's will holding down the monsters. Having them need to hide something is just to much of a stretch, especially given the guild is encouraging deeper exploration. If it was something that was problematic for Zeus or Hera it would be utterly irresponsible to allow the Loki Familia to try to get there. It's the kind of retroactive plotting that does more harm than good.</i></div>
<p>That does make sense, but since practically the beginning of the series I remember it saying that Bell thought Hestia and the other gods knew stuff about the dungeon that they weren't telling anyone for some reason and whenever Bell woul ask her she woul just say " the dungeon is just the dungeon". Always thought that seemed strange, but when they brought the Xenos into the story it seemed like Ouranos and the other Gods told them everything they know, but then you have a Fels telling Bell he has to go to the bottom floor of the dungeon if the Xenos will ever have a future with mankind so it seems like he knows something that no one else knows.  </p><p>
Either way it's confusing, still think it possible though. </p>

<p>Well that one I can explain but it will have to wait until later, sleep comes first. </p>

I don't hate the author. But just like Kevinhunt06 said. A couple of my hopes for the Series have been betrayed. If Ottar does become a Level 8. I have seen his Status. So he is more than capable of becoming one soon. But then that means I am going have to wait even longer for the showdown between Bell Cranel and Ottar. This is the Adventurer on Adventurer fight I am looking to the most. Because when The Ox Slayer beats The King. Then Bell Cranel will be Top Adventurer of Orario. After that. It not surprise if Bell receives more courtships than Ais Wallenstein.

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Little Ro wrote: Do you see any point in discussing something we don't know yet? why not wait for the information to come out just to start arguing with SOLID things? </p> </i></div>
<p>Yes, it's called speculation and theory crafting. You'd never be able to discuss anything if you had to wait for every reveal just like Kevhunt pointed out </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>think about it man, not everything in life is to be a "salty" :) </p> </i></div>
<p>If you weren't being salty I don't know what is. You come off as incredibly frustrated in your post </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Kevhunt06 wrote: The entire city is built on top of the great pit of doom with only Ouranos's will holding down the monsters. Having them need to hide something is just to much of a stretch, especially given the guild is encouraging deeper exploration. If it was something that was problematic for Zeus or Hera it would be utterly irresponsible to allow the Loki Familia to try to get there. It's the kind of retroactive plotting that does more harm than good. </p> </i></div>
<p>Except we already know the guild is hiding things about the dungeon, from the Xenos and the structure of the deep levels. </p><p>Anyway, I was a bit surprised about the Level 8 & 9 reveal, but upon further thought, it makes more sense. Loki and Freya Familias are young groups with only a couple decades of experience. Zeus and Hera had centuries, it's not so surprising that they could reach higher levels. We've seen the effect that being properly trained had on characters like Lefiya. I'm sure Finn, Gareth, Riveria and Ottar would probably be higher leveled if they had someone to guide them instead of having to figure stuff out as they go along. </p><p>I also don't think that simply because Zeus and Hera had a Level 8 & 9 means that they must have had a bunch of Level 6 & 7's either. I wouldn't be all surprised if they didn't have as many as Loki Familia. You seem to need a lot of talent to get that far, even if you have help. </p><p>On the matter of Hermes' previous statement about this being the best group of heroes in ages, being a hero is not about strength The series had made that clear already. </p>