Well I hope you won't get it wrong but I prefer my version over those two. I mean Luck could pass off somehow but agility at EX? The only person who could have agility at EX if he was made a servant would be Minato(from Naruto) cuz he can teleport. I mean you said that you wanted to make him more ballanced but I don't really see that anywhere. You just made him completly broken and it doesn't make much sense at all. And why magic resistance is so high thanks to the battle with OEBD?

For examle I don't know why Argonaut would have been able to blast through avalon or EA, seems ridiculous to me. This attack is nowhere near as powerful as those two things. I could wonder about Argo-Kazuki but I also don't know why it's use is on the cost of Bell life. Also doesn't make sense cuz in the end he is charging his sword so it should be natural that the weapon will be the one that breaks not Bell.

And how would Hestia knife and kazuki even merge? No matter how good of a blacksmith Welf will become I don't think he will be able to make magic sword that could do something like that. There is many things that don't make sense.

And I don't think that level 5 bell will be in status with level 7 in anything, and especially he wouldn't be on pair with his speed with level 9. Lets get real there. So yeah I don't want to boast but I think my version was better. Don't take it personally please.

@Leon fierce @Apocrypha4124312 If you guys don't mind can I ask some questions about fate and danmachi parameter comparison and a few other things?

I actually want to ask that to, in term's of power, where DO both stand in it, for Danmachi, the status and level system and Fates Parameters

I watched fate visuals and some other things and investigated about it when I had free time. By status it obvious that fate parameter > danmachi parameter.

I investigated about EMİYA's powers to. EMİYA uses his reinforcement magic to his eyes so he was able to keep up with other servants and sometimes reinforces himself a lot for a short time. I watched heaven's feel and looked at comments a lot. According to many people archer's kick was so strong for D rank. (With that kick he didn't killed or heavily injured assassin either) and I learned that he boost himself with his magic. Then I learned by some people that archer uses stats from his "weapons" (kansho and bakuya) they are C+ rank weapons while archer's strength is D. I'm assuming that current Bell (vol 16) just by pure status might be a little more stronger than archer (without his protections,just his own power). Still I will investigate again when I got a free time.

@Noon123 Yeah I mostly agree. People tends to forget that in terms of speed and power Emiya isn't much. I would personally put Archer somewhere on the new level 5 in status at the very least. When Archer is using kansho and bakuya his parameters rise too but he would still be like upper level 5 then maybe borderlanding on 6. The fact that he has many weapons that let him fight opponents stronger that him is another matter.

About where fate and danmachi stands for, I still keep with the version that makes the most sense for me, meaning that servants put in danmachi usually would be on pair with level 5-7 in terms of parameters. In fate we know that humans can fight with servants under certain conditions. For example Medea master, Kuzuki beat the hell out of saber and is said that can keep up with Sasaki strikes and he can even protect Medea from Heracles and all of that with only receiving enhancements from Medea. And now let's talk about those enhancements. They are said to give kuzuki strength ten times of this of the human and personally I don't see any reason of why would her enhancements be more powerful than falna created by gods and leveled up 5 times. I mean falna, something created by gods vs some woman that has been made a puppet by goddess of beauty very easly to the point that she even killed her little brother for a dude she baerly knew. It's clear as sky that her powers don't come even near gods at all and thus her magic is weaker that falna by a long shot.

Now I know that Kuzuki fighting style is rather impressive but given the fact that level 5 would be stronger than Medea enhancements then I don't see a reason why would level 5 couldn't do much more than him, given that Medea only gives you more speed, power and endurance but falna also grands you a magic and unique for you skills. So with all of this level 5 can move faster and him harder than Kuzuki and also have skills similar to that of servants that are giving them other power ups too.

Falna also gives you quite amazing endurance too, so someone who reached level 5 at least won't be easly beat up by some random noble phantasm. For example the dragon fire from dragons living on 58 floor is so powerful that it can melt through 6 floors of rocks but level 5 Tiona took it head on without any real damage being done to her.

Falna is also giving you a divinity skill. Getting a fresh falna automatically gives you divinity equal of that of the very least C rank. Now, here in danmachi gods cannot have children but thanks to that Divinity become a very common occurrence in this world. Mostly because the meaning of being 'god child' is different there. When you get falna for the god who give it to you, you are his child now and that fact alone would give you at the very least C rank divinity. Now to support this claim in fate, Iskandar also has a C rank divinity just from the fact that he himself claims to be son of Zeus. There is no proof for that but he claimed it and he recived a C rank divinity from this. So if human got C rank divinity just from claiming to be son of the god then I image that if god claim that you are their child it should do the same if not more. Usually people in danmachi only have a relation with one god but for example I image that someone like Bell would have at least C+ or even B divinity given the fact that he is not only Hestia child but also grandchild of both Zeus and Hera.

So yeah to sum it up I think that servants are mostly around levels 5-7 in terms of power.

@Apocrypha4124312 yeah people tends to forget archer's status. It's all thx to his magic abilities and his work hard that he can match with strong servants. Archer is definitely strong guy no one can refuse that. But seems ufotable's animation effects people's ideas about how OP servants are. Well yeah mostly agreed with what you said. Considering that Bell should/will be at least level 9 or above he would be match for strong servants (not to mention he will have other development abilities and who knows,maybe author gives him magic with some grimoire or some new strong skills. I definitely want a broken magic like unlimited blade works lol) endgame Bell would be pretty strong servant.

@Apocrypha4124312 same, I want Bell to have something like gate of Babylon or unlimited blade works so he can be broken as well, though, I would like him to have it at level 5 or 6 to make sure he can take on the like's of Ottar off sure skill and strategy alone instead of being able to overwhelm him in speed or strength similar to how Archer was able to battle Hercules like that

I mean he doesn't really need to have skills like UBW or GOB to be powerful. I don't think something like that fits Bell very much, given that he is more of just a frontline fighter that prefers to face enemies head on, like majority of the sabers

Apocrypha4124312 It's more or less just to make Bell able to summon weapon's that will break for him to kill enemies without need to be to concerned for his weapon's and will be able to adapt to situation's better, like being able to replace a broken weapon in an instant to keep up his front, that's how I imagine Bell using it the most

Bell Cranel

Classes to be summoned as:

Ruler: he has no real wish for the grail, but he wishes for it to be in the right hand's instead, but take's a unique approach as a ruler

Saber: due to using swords and knives all his life

Archer: from throwing his weapon's (fate joke), for using Artemis's arrow's to kill Antares (non-cannon)

Berserker: from his time when he was defending the Xeno's and being called out as losing his mind and from his inability to let people be harmed and will help them damned what happens to him in the end

Rider: (non-cannon) from his time riding the dragon to get to Antares to slay the monster, (joke) and from his time "Ride" women's emotion's to make them fall for him unknowingly and unintentionally

Caster: (joke) from getting many mage women to fall for him and thus borrows their magic for his own as well as being able to use magic himself

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Strength A

Agility A++

Luck EX

Endurance A

Magic C

Noble Phantasm E-~EX

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Class skills

Magic Resistance: B+ - Bell possessed the development ability of magic resistance on his falna when he was still alive and thus he possesses this skill as well, and thank's to his battle with the OYBD, it's very high.

Divinity: A - As a first child of goddess Hestia (self-claimed by Hestia herself) Bell possesses a high divinity skill, as well as being a child of the Zeus Familia and being desired and watched by the gods and goddesses, Bell has abnormally high divinity due to how many god's and goddesses are so close to him compared to even the most powerful adventurer's as well as having his status with Freya help boosting it as well

Riding: A - (joke) from all the time he was forced to "Ride" all the women who had a crush on him (no no, it's more or less from him riding the dragon (non-cannon))

Independent Action: A+ (Strong Desire) - due to acting on his emotion's despite all opposition's to do the right thing, he is able to act on his own even if it's against his master's wishes if he is to do the right thing

Essence of the God of Love: A - thank's to the affections and obsessiveness of the goddess Freya, as well as his skill Liaris Phrase Bell has immunity to charm's and high divinity with goddesses of love, this also gives Bell trace amount's of divinity at B rank

Rabitto Futto: EX - this was his name at level 4 due to his high luck, as a result, his luck no matter his class will always be EX due to the blessing of the god's, however, he loses this when facing a god or goddess he acknowledges as good such as Hestia or Artemis, but deal's neutral damage to god's like Ishtar or Apollo as he opposed them in his life

Madness Enhancement (Kindness) EX - this is a special form of madness enhancement as instead of driving one mad, it makes Bell unable to stand still when he sees someone in trouble and is compelled to a molecular degree to help, protect, and save them from any and all thing's threatening them, a command spell must be used to prevent him from helping people on impulse

(Curse) Lust of the Gods: EX - Having been lusted by not only goddess Hestia but also Freya, Apollo, and other gods and goddesses, Bell posses the highest rank of this skill. Every parameter is raised up by 1 parameter, but this skill makes him lose one parameter when faced with a god or goddess type servant as well as be cursed to be lusted after by them no matter the god or goddess, but can have an advantage against divine being's who are not god's similar to how he is able to battle higher level adventurer's with ease.

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Skill's

Affection of the Goddess: EX - Having been loved by not only goddess Hestia but also Freya, Bell posses highest rank of this skill. Every parameter other than Mana and Luck are raised up

Disengage: D - Bell has a history of meeting opponents that greatly overpower him and thus he also has a history of running away. He is able to leave battlefield quickly if he becomes overpowered but battle condition doesn't change after he returns

Battle Continuation - Bell has never been one to give up easily, even if he is pushed past his physical limit's, he will persist and even defeat enemies, such as his battle with

Presence Detection B+ - because of Bell's ability to sense people staring at him even from a divine mirror, he is able to tell where someone is so long as they look at him, as a servant, Bell can tell exactly where someone is and where

Bravery (False) B - Bell is not one to shy away from battle when his allies lives are on the line, and while he may panic, he will lose all fear once he sees someone is in trouble

Mana Burst(false): B(A) (fire)- Can be used only using Kazuki. It's a version of Mana Burst that infuses weapons with magical energy that imparts a fire effect and strenghten Bell attacks. Bell can mix Kazuki with Argonaut for only 10 seconds charge without breaking it(Kazuki can handle multiple charges at 10 seconds, it's important to not go beyond that). If he does so a strike is equal of mana burst skill at rank A.

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Weapon

Hestia Knife C ~ EX: a special knife that was created by Hephaestus with help from Hestia. The knife is alive and will become stronger according to the wielder's status, the weapon is also constructed of Mithril, making it able to conduct magic and there are hieroglyphs written across the blade and it was forged with Hestia's hair and ichor so it is also considered a divine weapon. It is able to withstand Argonaut and Argo Vesta without breaking and is one of the few weapon's able to handle it as well

Hakugen A+: The Hakugen is a long knife that was created by Welf. It has a 35 cm white blade made from a Unicorn Horn, It can also be used to dispel poison so it can cure any form of poison that is not on the level of something from the age of god's, and even then, most of them can be cured by this weapon, it can also dispel some curses as well and even help Bell regenerate, but when an enemy is hit with it, wound's are cursed to not heal till the curse is removed or the weapon is destroyed

Kazuki: A+ - anti-unit - his main weapon made by his best friend Welf Crozzo (Kazuki can also be used as normal sword). Kazuki is not a normal magic sword and is able to store and use magical energy of it's user instead of a normal ones that just breaks after using all energy.

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Noble Phantasm

Argonaut: E~A++ - anit-unit/anti-army - enchances the next action Bell takes. The power of enhancement depends on charge time. The downside is that too many charges leave tool on Bell body and his parameters drop after overusing Argonaut. If even after drop of parameters he will decide to use Argonaut again the parameters will be dropping even further until they all drop at rock bottom(E ranks). Using it at full power(6 minutes charge) it becomes anti-army noble phantasm on rank A++ and it starts first drop in parameters. But thakns to the fact that his parameters are quite high even after the first drop he is still able to keep up with most of his enemies. Bell can use it on hestia knife, his own fist or even his magecraft.

Argo-Vesta: C~A - anti-army - Bell uses it by mixing his Magecraft skill and Argonaut noble phantasm. It can be used on Hestia knife, a knife made by goddess of forge Hephaustos ,it's a blade that has a hair of goddess Hestia inside. It's made completly out of mithril that is great magic conduct. Bell first uses 'firebolt' and then the mithlir dagger absorbs flames. When those conditions are met Bell starts charging both weapon and his magic at the same time. After even a 5 seconds of charge it reaches level of at least C rank noble phantasm. The downside is that Bell can only charge it for 1 minute and it reaches max the rank A.(Also made it up, cuz if I didn't there wouldn't be any point in using only agronaut as a final attack).

Argo-Kazuki: EX - anti-army/anti-fortress - It's Bell strongest attack that can be used only once. By ignoring a limit and fully charging Kazuki with Argonaut it truly becomes an ultimate strike that burns everything in it's way. After using it Kazuki is unable to handle that much of a stain and breaks taking from Bell mana burst(false) skill and leaving him also with dropped parameters from Argonaut and with only Hestia knife as his weapon.

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Background

Massively overestimating Bell, many of these are also jokes as well, and for fun, but hey, that's what this is for anyway