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ALL POSTSWhat will be Ryuu Lion's Main Weapon be now that her Wooden Sword Alvs Lumina is gone?
<p>I know Ryuu stil has her Short Swords Kodachi Futaba. But if she is going to join the Hestia Familia and go on exabitions with them. Possibly going to fight really dangerous opponents like the Freya Familia. She is going to need more than Kodachi Futaba. Especially if she becomes a First Classed Adventurer. So what do you think is going to replace Alvs Lumina? Will Bell Cranel get Welf Crozzo a brand new weapon? Like an Unbreakable Sword or Unbreakable Magic Sword? Or maybe will Bell have Welf make her a brand new First Classed Wooden Sword?
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<div class="quote"><i>Dbigal wrote:
She could gain a skill related to the fact that she spent the last 5 years in disguise, hidden and still performing covert operations.</i></div>
<p>LIke Cinder Ella? There is no point in her gaining a skill or magic like that. She is death according to the Guild so in any case she would need to do just a small change like the one of her hair. And even Lili doesn´t use her own magic that much now and she would be able to perform anything that Ryuu could do with it. Also in Ryuu case it was just a simple disguise in Lili´s case it had a background and it wasn´t something so simple, which is the requirement for a magic, or skill like that, to appear. </p> <div class="quote"><i>She could also gain a skill related to the fact that for the past 5 years she has been brooding over her past acts, that she was not worthy of doing justice (when in fact she had her own sense of justice), that she continued to hunt Evilus or/and that she had (or still has) a trauma with Juggernault.</i></div>
<p>Like Fairy Senior of Filvis? It would need her to feel like that in order to have effect, not really the best emotional state when you are fighting. </p> <div class="quote"><i>She could gain a skill related to the fact that she is very aware that she doesn't like other people to touch her but that for some reason she allowed 3 people to touch her (gods not included).</i></div>
<p>What kind of skill could come out of that? </p> <div class="quote"><i>Not all skills need to be combat oriented, Ryuu also knows how to investigate, infiltrate, perform guerrilla acts, among other things. Remembering that everything I said above does not necessarily need to result in a skill, it could also result in a DA, magic, curse or simply nothing.</i></div>
<p>I already explained why they can´t but just to add something. Based in how were the two curse users that we have seen it is very unlikely that she, or any Bell´s friend for the matter, could develop one. </p> <div class="quote"><i>The LN have already shown 5 characters related to Evilus who were at level 4 or higher (Phryne, Tammuz, Dix, Gran and Valletta) so it would not be absurd to say that maybe there was someone on their level to confront Ryu, remembering that in Familia Chronicle Episode Ryuu she ended up facing Shakti and although this conflict has been passively deserrated it is not possible to say that the past confrontations have had it.</i></div>
<p>Phryne and Tammuz were part of Ishtar Familia who only gave them money so they weren´t members also that relation started after the original Evilus was destroyed and even if they were members they were not stronger than Ryuu back then. Same goes for Dix and Gran, Ikelos Familia used Knossos to get money but in reality they were not part of Evilus. They only fough Bell because he entered Knossos. Valleta was the only one that was a member of Evilus. And she could had been Level 4 as well, notto say that after the incident in the 27 floor she was most probable hiding after losing her falna. Based in what she said in SO Volume 7 Finn destroyed a great part of their power so most high level members were dead before Ryuu went on a rampage. Against the first Evilus she sure had some difficulties but this was mostly because of fighting so many people, a high level can defeat lower ones but if they are too many and the difference is of one level it can still be quite hard. And since then there were only the fights against the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut but not more. About her encounter with Shakti, it was said that Astraea Familia worked aside with Loki and Ganesha Familias to bring peace to Orario so it was because of respect as old partners but just that. </p> <div class="quote"><i>As for the new Astra Familia, it could do the same thing it did in Orario: security, patrol, investigation, monster hunting. Depending on where and for whom they served, the payment could be relatively high for her current circumstances, it is just a matter of knowing how to manage it. Not to mention that we don't know how much money or resources Astrea took with her when she left Orario.</i></div>
<p>There are monsters only in some parts of the world so they would need to travel in order to use them as an income, which would cost as well. Any city that would need a Familia to work as police would already have it, because otherwise it would be already destroyed. They could do it in other places were the threats could be lower but still that wouldn´t be enough to get money for a first class weapon. It is not just a matter of management but remember that Orario is completely different from the rest of the world, that goes to money as well. Magic stones are a great source of income but there is just one Dungeon, trying to do the same as Orario outside of it can´t work. And in the improbable case that they had enough saved it would be most of it, and giving it to someone tha can get the money easier that them would be a terible decision that would affect significantly the Familia. About Astraea taking money with her, she knew what Ryuu would do so it would be a terrible idea to not let her eveything that was left in order to increase the probabilites that she completed her goal and survived. </p>
She could gain a skill related to the fact that she spent the last 5 years in disguise, hidden and still performing covert operations.</i></div>
<p>LIke Cinder Ella? There is no point in her gaining a skill or magic like that. She is death according to the Guild so in any case she would need to do just a small change like the one of her hair. And even Lili doesn´t use her own magic that much now and she would be able to perform anything that Ryuu could do with it. Also in Ryuu case it was just a simple disguise in Lili´s case it had a background and it wasn´t something so simple, which is the requirement for a magic, or skill like that, to appear. </p> <div class="quote"><i>She could also gain a skill related to the fact that for the past 5 years she has been brooding over her past acts, that she was not worthy of doing justice (when in fact she had her own sense of justice), that she continued to hunt Evilus or/and that she had (or still has) a trauma with Juggernault.</i></div>
<p>Like Fairy Senior of Filvis? It would need her to feel like that in order to have effect, not really the best emotional state when you are fighting. </p> <div class="quote"><i>She could gain a skill related to the fact that she is very aware that she doesn't like other people to touch her but that for some reason she allowed 3 people to touch her (gods not included).</i></div>
<p>What kind of skill could come out of that? </p> <div class="quote"><i>Not all skills need to be combat oriented, Ryuu also knows how to investigate, infiltrate, perform guerrilla acts, among other things. Remembering that everything I said above does not necessarily need to result in a skill, it could also result in a DA, magic, curse or simply nothing.</i></div>
<p>I already explained why they can´t but just to add something. Based in how were the two curse users that we have seen it is very unlikely that she, or any Bell´s friend for the matter, could develop one. </p> <div class="quote"><i>The LN have already shown 5 characters related to Evilus who were at level 4 or higher (Phryne, Tammuz, Dix, Gran and Valletta) so it would not be absurd to say that maybe there was someone on their level to confront Ryu, remembering that in Familia Chronicle Episode Ryuu she ended up facing Shakti and although this conflict has been passively deserrated it is not possible to say that the past confrontations have had it.</i></div>
<p>Phryne and Tammuz were part of Ishtar Familia who only gave them money so they weren´t members also that relation started after the original Evilus was destroyed and even if they were members they were not stronger than Ryuu back then. Same goes for Dix and Gran, Ikelos Familia used Knossos to get money but in reality they were not part of Evilus. They only fough Bell because he entered Knossos. Valleta was the only one that was a member of Evilus. And she could had been Level 4 as well, notto say that after the incident in the 27 floor she was most probable hiding after losing her falna. Based in what she said in SO Volume 7 Finn destroyed a great part of their power so most high level members were dead before Ryuu went on a rampage. Against the first Evilus she sure had some difficulties but this was mostly because of fighting so many people, a high level can defeat lower ones but if they are too many and the difference is of one level it can still be quite hard. And since then there were only the fights against the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut but not more. About her encounter with Shakti, it was said that Astraea Familia worked aside with Loki and Ganesha Familias to bring peace to Orario so it was because of respect as old partners but just that. </p> <div class="quote"><i>As for the new Astra Familia, it could do the same thing it did in Orario: security, patrol, investigation, monster hunting. Depending on where and for whom they served, the payment could be relatively high for her current circumstances, it is just a matter of knowing how to manage it. Not to mention that we don't know how much money or resources Astrea took with her when she left Orario.</i></div>
<p>There are monsters only in some parts of the world so they would need to travel in order to use them as an income, which would cost as well. Any city that would need a Familia to work as police would already have it, because otherwise it would be already destroyed. They could do it in other places were the threats could be lower but still that wouldn´t be enough to get money for a first class weapon. It is not just a matter of management but remember that Orario is completely different from the rest of the world, that goes to money as well. Magic stones are a great source of income but there is just one Dungeon, trying to do the same as Orario outside of it can´t work. And in the improbable case that they had enough saved it would be most of it, and giving it to someone tha can get the money easier that them would be a terible decision that would affect significantly the Familia. About Astraea taking money with her, she knew what Ryuu would do so it would be a terrible idea to not let her eveything that was left in order to increase the probabilites that she completed her goal and survived. </p>
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<p>Rigel I simply disagree with your justifications on things, sorry buddy I ain't going to see it your way...you think I don't understand and I think your reasoning is way off, so sorry again, I guess we are at an impass.
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<p>Also I’m only referring to our discussion, you have valid points on certain things in your other conversations...but also I think Dbigal is giving “for instance possibilities”, as an example of what is possible. I think your taking him too literal and you don’t need to try and refute everything.
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<p>Drake Atlas wrote:
Yeah it could be seen as a useless skill but it would still fit Ryuu. To be honest Ryuus rage and hatred towards Evilus and there supporters runs as deep or even deeper then Aiz hatred against monsters. She basicly massive slauthered every person or organization that had even a slight contact with them. Avenger would be the most logical skill she could get after her update even if she doesnt do this anymore and it isnt as useless as it seems to be because Ryuu absolutly hates Juggernaut itself too, so it could work against monsters too.
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<p>Drake I don’t think she’ll get a skill like Avenger, that deals with hatred...I think she has come to terms with that with what her and Bell has accomplished...however I do think that her sense of justice and perhaps the deep need to not see her companions get hurt again could play an effect in acquiring a skill...perhaps a skill that ups her attack power if she sees someone she cares for get hurt. Not like Berserk or Avenger that requires anger or hatred, but instead is fueled by the need to protect. Maybe Call it something like Retribution. Of course I’m just giving a for instance and it wouldn’t have to follow those exact standards. </p>
<p>Drake I don’t think she’ll get a skill like Avenger, that deals with hatred...I think she has come to terms with that with what her and Bell has accomplished...however I do think that her sense of justice and perhaps the deep need to not see her companions get hurt again could play an effect in acquiring a skill...perhaps a skill that ups her attack power if she sees someone she cares for get hurt. Not like Berserk or Avenger that requires anger or hatred, but instead is fueled by the need to protect. Maybe Call it something like Retribution. Of course I’m just giving a for instance and it wouldn’t have to follow those exact standards. </p>
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but also I think Dbigal is giving “for instance possibilities”, as an example of what is possible. I think your taking him too literal and you don’t need to try and refute everything.
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<p>I said that Ryuu could get a skill when she has her status updated but that she wouldn’t get more than one and that the reasons he gave were not justification for any skill appearing. I’m not trying to refute everything he says. </p>
<p>I said that Ryuu could get a skill when she has her status updated but that she wouldn’t get more than one and that the reasons he gave were not justification for any skill appearing. I’m not trying to refute everything he says. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Rigel31415 wrote:
Like Cinder Ella?</i></div>
<p>No, I was thinking of something more similar to Ghost Walker or Trackless Step from Mahouka and Rakudai no Kishi respectively. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Like Fairy Senior of Filvis?</i></div>
<p>Why not? In DM there are other skills that operate in the same way (they increase something and have its effect increased in relation to how strong a specific feeling is). Ex: Liaris Freese, Berserk and Avenger. </p><p>So it could be, for example, a skill that increases her Dex and Agi and that this effect would increase according to her distress or agony. </p><p>ps .: you used "like" not "equal" in the questions. </p> <div class="quote"><i>What kind of skill could come out of that?</i></div>
<p>I thought of something like this: it is a skill that can be activated and deactivated and that once activated any unauthorized touch would generate a repulsion force (like Nagato's Shinra Tensei in Naruto). </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>Based in how were the two curse users that we have seen it is very unlikely that she, or any Bell´s friend for the matter, could develop one.</i></div>
<p>I don't know about you but I have already imagined Lily acquiring a curse (this expectation that I had fell apart when she evolved). But here I give my arm to cheer because I can't imagine a curse that matches Ryuu for her to acquire. </p><p>I thought about many other things that Ryuu could acquire, some more suited her, others less but nothing that anyone could say "holy **** where did she get that from" </p><p>Ps .: this is what crosses my mind from time to time when imagining where Mikoto got her magic from. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Phryne and Tammuz were part of Ishtar Familia who only gave them money so they weren´t members also that relation started after the original Evilus was destroyed and even if they were members they were not stronger than Ryuu back then. Same goes for Dix and Gran, Ikelos Familia used Knossos to get money but in reality they were not part of Evilus. They only fough Bell because he entered Knossos. Valleta was the only one that was a member of Evilus. And she could had been Level 4 as well, notto say that after the incident in the 27 floor she was most probable hiding after losing her falna. Based in what she said in SO Volume 7 Finn destroyed a great part of their power so most high level members were dead before Ryuu went on a rampage. Against the first Evilus she sure had some difficulties but this was mostly because of fighting so many people, a high level can defeat lower ones but if they are too many and the difference is of one level it can still be quite hard. And since then there were only the fights against the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut but not more. About her encounter with Shakti, it was said that Astraea Familia worked aside with Loki and Ganesha Familias to bring peace to Orario so it was because of respect as old partners but just that.</i></div>
<p>1 - I never stated that they all had a relationship with Evillus from the very beginning. </p><p>2- Having a relationship with a group does not mean that they belong to it. </p><p>3- 5 years ago Ais became level 4 and as far as I remember Phryne wasn’t very back. </p><p>4 - I never said that Ryuu ever faced Phryne or someone from Ishitar Familia. </p><p>5- Same as above for Tammuz, Dix, Gran and Valletta. </p><p>6- Finn destroyed a great part of their power but not all of their power. </p><p>7- most high level members were dead does not mean that all were dead. </p><p>8- I just came up with the possibility that some of the survivors could have a level similar to the persongens that I mentioned and at some point in those five years some of them could have faced Ryuu. </p><p>9- Respect for former partners could have insured Shakti but would that have insured Ilta Farna if she had been in Shakti's place at that time. (remembering that at that time Ryuu was still considered a criminal with a premium) </p> <div class="quote"><i>There are monsters only in some parts of the world so they would need to travel in order to use them as an income, which would cost as well. Any city that would need a Familia to work as police would already have it, because otherwise it would be already destroyed. They could do it in other places were the threats could be lower but still that wouldn´t be enough to get money for a first class weapon. It is not just a matter of management but remember that Orario is completely different from the rest of the world, that goes to money as well. Magic stones are a great source of income but there is just one Dungeon, trying to do the same as Orario outside of it can´t work. And in the improbable case that they had enough saved it would be most of it, and giving it to someone tha can get the money easier that them would be a terible decision that would affect significantly the Familia. About Astraea taking money with her, she knew what Ryuu would do so it would be a terrible idea to not let her eveything that was left in order to increase the probabilites that she completed her goal and survived.</i></div>
<p>1 - about the monsters: what would be the difference in earnings and expenses (remembering that adventurers from Orario very difficultly leave Orario - that is, there is a lack of specialized labor) </p><p>2 - About cities: it seems to me a statement without proof (I don't remember anything similar written in the LN). </p><p>3- I did not speak of the weapon but of the material to make it and that will be obtained outside Orario and the Dungeon. Ps .: price difference between the raw material and the final product is usually quite high. </p><p>4- magic stones may even be the biggest source of income in the world but it is not the only one. </p><p>5- never said that the material would come out for free, just said that they could get it. </p><p>6- if the money is with Ryuu then it would be even easier for her to buy materials from the new Astrea Familia. </p>
Like Cinder Ella?</i></div>
<p>No, I was thinking of something more similar to Ghost Walker or Trackless Step from Mahouka and Rakudai no Kishi respectively. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Like Fairy Senior of Filvis?</i></div>
<p>Why not? In DM there are other skills that operate in the same way (they increase something and have its effect increased in relation to how strong a specific feeling is). Ex: Liaris Freese, Berserk and Avenger. </p><p>So it could be, for example, a skill that increases her Dex and Agi and that this effect would increase according to her distress or agony. </p><p>ps .: you used "like" not "equal" in the questions. </p> <div class="quote"><i>What kind of skill could come out of that?</i></div>
<p>I thought of something like this: it is a skill that can be activated and deactivated and that once activated any unauthorized touch would generate a repulsion force (like Nagato's Shinra Tensei in Naruto). </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>Based in how were the two curse users that we have seen it is very unlikely that she, or any Bell´s friend for the matter, could develop one.</i></div>
<p>I don't know about you but I have already imagined Lily acquiring a curse (this expectation that I had fell apart when she evolved). But here I give my arm to cheer because I can't imagine a curse that matches Ryuu for her to acquire. </p><p>I thought about many other things that Ryuu could acquire, some more suited her, others less but nothing that anyone could say "holy **** where did she get that from" </p><p>Ps .: this is what crosses my mind from time to time when imagining where Mikoto got her magic from. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Phryne and Tammuz were part of Ishtar Familia who only gave them money so they weren´t members also that relation started after the original Evilus was destroyed and even if they were members they were not stronger than Ryuu back then. Same goes for Dix and Gran, Ikelos Familia used Knossos to get money but in reality they were not part of Evilus. They only fough Bell because he entered Knossos. Valleta was the only one that was a member of Evilus. And she could had been Level 4 as well, notto say that after the incident in the 27 floor she was most probable hiding after losing her falna. Based in what she said in SO Volume 7 Finn destroyed a great part of their power so most high level members were dead before Ryuu went on a rampage. Against the first Evilus she sure had some difficulties but this was mostly because of fighting so many people, a high level can defeat lower ones but if they are too many and the difference is of one level it can still be quite hard. And since then there were only the fights against the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut but not more. About her encounter with Shakti, it was said that Astraea Familia worked aside with Loki and Ganesha Familias to bring peace to Orario so it was because of respect as old partners but just that.</i></div>
<p>1 - I never stated that they all had a relationship with Evillus from the very beginning. </p><p>2- Having a relationship with a group does not mean that they belong to it. </p><p>3- 5 years ago Ais became level 4 and as far as I remember Phryne wasn’t very back. </p><p>4 - I never said that Ryuu ever faced Phryne or someone from Ishitar Familia. </p><p>5- Same as above for Tammuz, Dix, Gran and Valletta. </p><p>6- Finn destroyed a great part of their power but not all of their power. </p><p>7- most high level members were dead does not mean that all were dead. </p><p>8- I just came up with the possibility that some of the survivors could have a level similar to the persongens that I mentioned and at some point in those five years some of them could have faced Ryuu. </p><p>9- Respect for former partners could have insured Shakti but would that have insured Ilta Farna if she had been in Shakti's place at that time. (remembering that at that time Ryuu was still considered a criminal with a premium) </p> <div class="quote"><i>There are monsters only in some parts of the world so they would need to travel in order to use them as an income, which would cost as well. Any city that would need a Familia to work as police would already have it, because otherwise it would be already destroyed. They could do it in other places were the threats could be lower but still that wouldn´t be enough to get money for a first class weapon. It is not just a matter of management but remember that Orario is completely different from the rest of the world, that goes to money as well. Magic stones are a great source of income but there is just one Dungeon, trying to do the same as Orario outside of it can´t work. And in the improbable case that they had enough saved it would be most of it, and giving it to someone tha can get the money easier that them would be a terible decision that would affect significantly the Familia. About Astraea taking money with her, she knew what Ryuu would do so it would be a terrible idea to not let her eveything that was left in order to increase the probabilites that she completed her goal and survived.</i></div>
<p>1 - about the monsters: what would be the difference in earnings and expenses (remembering that adventurers from Orario very difficultly leave Orario - that is, there is a lack of specialized labor) </p><p>2 - About cities: it seems to me a statement without proof (I don't remember anything similar written in the LN). </p><p>3- I did not speak of the weapon but of the material to make it and that will be obtained outside Orario and the Dungeon. Ps .: price difference between the raw material and the final product is usually quite high. </p><p>4- magic stones may even be the biggest source of income in the world but it is not the only one. </p><p>5- never said that the material would come out for free, just said that they could get it. </p><p>6- if the money is with Ryuu then it would be even easier for her to buy materials from the new Astrea Familia. </p>
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No, I was thinking of something more similar to Ghost Walker or Trackless Step from Mahouka and Rakudai no Kishi respectively.</i></div>
<p>Trackless Step is a style not a technique which is focused in not allowing the opponent to notice one’s movements and Ghost Walker is a distraction magic. Both concepts, distracting and hiding are not the same as disguising and even if they were in DanMachi every magic, aside from Elves and the ones related to the user fighting style, has a relation to the user feelings or desires as I already said, which is not Ryuu case with having been hiding all these years. </p> <div class="quote"><i> Why not? In DM there are other skills that operate in the same way (they increase something and have its effect increased in relation to how strong a specific feeling is). Ex: Liaris Freese, Berserk and Avenger.</i></div>
<p>Yes, there are skills like but Bell already made her overcome her hate towards herself so that kind of skill shouldn’t appear. </p><p>Also this skill would be based in a terrible feeling. In Liaris Freese case he only has to be in love not to be thinking in Ais every time for it to work so he is not distracted. In Berserk and Avenger case they are based in anger and hate respectively which are bad feelings as they cloud one’s mind not allowing them to think clear but at the end they help since they increase the desire to fight and defeat the opponent but distress and agony just cloud the mind making one unable to do anything properly, less fighting. </p> <div class="quote"><i> I thought of something like this: it is a skill that can be activated and deactivated and that once activated any unauthorized touch would generate a repulsion force (like Nagato's Shinra Tensei in Naruto).</i></div>
<p>First, that would be a too OP defensive skill. Second, all elves are known to be like that so by that logic every elf should have it. </p> <div class="quote"><i> 1 - I never stated that they all had a relationship with Evilus...</i></div>
<p>1, 2, 4 and 5: Yes I know you didn’t mean that but I just wanted to make clear that they were not related in case you thought so. </p><p>3: Phryne was most probable Level 4 back then but still then Ryuu was a high Level 4 so she was most probable stronger than her, not to say her magic. </p><p>6, 7 and 8: He didn’t but he eliminated a big part of it, which means that what was left was way weaker than what it used to be. There were left most probable only Level 3s and below and with luck some Level 4s but since Ryuu was a high Level 4 defeating them was not really difficult. And there were not left Level 5s since Ryuu would had not been able to defeat them. </p><p>9: Maybe, Ilta was part of the Familia when Astraea Familia helped them, she is Level 5 so she has been in Ganesha Familia for many years, so she most probable has the same respect towards her. </p> <div class="quote"><i> 1 - about the monsters: what would be the difference in earnings and expenses...</i></div>
<p>1, 2 and 3: Considering the prices of the material it would require that they got hundreds of thousands. Of course raw materials are cheaper but they are still high quality which means they cost at least hundreds of thousands. There are monsters but as it was said in QuestxQuest their power has reduced so much that even a Level 1 can fight against a monster that would appear in the 30 floor so killing them is not difficult and what I said about the cities it’s just logic. If a city would receive so many attacks to need a Familia that would mean the monsters would be extremely powerful, for normal people, and logically they would either be destroyed or have to move to another place. </p><p>4: I know but my point is that the other source of income are not as good as magic stones. </p><p>5 and 6: if we talk about a wooden sword they would need to go to a elf forest or pay for the material, which I already said it is expensive, and if it was a metal sword it would be better to buy them in Orario as there is where the strongest metals we know of are. </p>
<p>Trackless Step is a style not a technique which is focused in not allowing the opponent to notice one’s movements and Ghost Walker is a distraction magic. Both concepts, distracting and hiding are not the same as disguising and even if they were in DanMachi every magic, aside from Elves and the ones related to the user fighting style, has a relation to the user feelings or desires as I already said, which is not Ryuu case with having been hiding all these years. </p> <div class="quote"><i> Why not? In DM there are other skills that operate in the same way (they increase something and have its effect increased in relation to how strong a specific feeling is). Ex: Liaris Freese, Berserk and Avenger.</i></div>
<p>Yes, there are skills like but Bell already made her overcome her hate towards herself so that kind of skill shouldn’t appear. </p><p>Also this skill would be based in a terrible feeling. In Liaris Freese case he only has to be in love not to be thinking in Ais every time for it to work so he is not distracted. In Berserk and Avenger case they are based in anger and hate respectively which are bad feelings as they cloud one’s mind not allowing them to think clear but at the end they help since they increase the desire to fight and defeat the opponent but distress and agony just cloud the mind making one unable to do anything properly, less fighting. </p> <div class="quote"><i> I thought of something like this: it is a skill that can be activated and deactivated and that once activated any unauthorized touch would generate a repulsion force (like Nagato's Shinra Tensei in Naruto).</i></div>
<p>First, that would be a too OP defensive skill. Second, all elves are known to be like that so by that logic every elf should have it. </p> <div class="quote"><i> 1 - I never stated that they all had a relationship with Evilus...</i></div>
<p>1, 2, 4 and 5: Yes I know you didn’t mean that but I just wanted to make clear that they were not related in case you thought so. </p><p>3: Phryne was most probable Level 4 back then but still then Ryuu was a high Level 4 so she was most probable stronger than her, not to say her magic. </p><p>6, 7 and 8: He didn’t but he eliminated a big part of it, which means that what was left was way weaker than what it used to be. There were left most probable only Level 3s and below and with luck some Level 4s but since Ryuu was a high Level 4 defeating them was not really difficult. And there were not left Level 5s since Ryuu would had not been able to defeat them. </p><p>9: Maybe, Ilta was part of the Familia when Astraea Familia helped them, she is Level 5 so she has been in Ganesha Familia for many years, so she most probable has the same respect towards her. </p> <div class="quote"><i> 1 - about the monsters: what would be the difference in earnings and expenses...</i></div>
<p>1, 2 and 3: Considering the prices of the material it would require that they got hundreds of thousands. Of course raw materials are cheaper but they are still high quality which means they cost at least hundreds of thousands. There are monsters but as it was said in QuestxQuest their power has reduced so much that even a Level 1 can fight against a monster that would appear in the 30 floor so killing them is not difficult and what I said about the cities it’s just logic. If a city would receive so many attacks to need a Familia that would mean the monsters would be extremely powerful, for normal people, and logically they would either be destroyed or have to move to another place. </p><p>4: I know but my point is that the other source of income are not as good as magic stones. </p><p>5 and 6: if we talk about a wooden sword they would need to go to a elf forest or pay for the material, which I already said it is expensive, and if it was a metal sword it would be better to buy them in Orario as there is where the strongest metals we know of are. </p>
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<p>What I meant by Trackless Step and Ghost Walker is that it would be a skill that could hinder hers location, recognition, or make her go unnoticed.
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About the ability similar to Fairy Senior: I just kicked an example but it could be any other feeling, something that might be more suitable for Ryuu would be guilt, remorse or regret </p><p>About the ability similar to Shinra Tensei: It would not need to be as powerful as the original, it could have a delay between one repulsion and another and the consumption of mind could be high. It is one thing to know that elves are like this and it is another thing for the elf himself to know that he is like this and worry a lot about it making it a big problem (Ryuu has even cursed the gods because of this). </p><p>If it was possible to have level 4 survivors even if just by luck, why not level 5 or 6? (lack of proof about the existence of something is not proof of its nonexistence). </p><p>Ryuu may be superior to other level 4 but that does not mean that she always won or won easily. As for stronger opponents, she may have fled or used other means (guerrilla tactics exist for that). Else her opponents might not always be Evillus but could be someone wanting the prize on her. </p><p>About Ilta Farna: again "probable" is not "certainty". </p><p>Never read QuestxQuest but the synopsis here doesn’t mention level 1 just says the monsters are much weaker, not to mention that in the same story it took a level 1 adventurer and a level 2 to defeat the Bloodsaurus, all to obtain material from outside Orario to make a special potion (since it recovers health and magic at the same time) of good quality. </p><p>About other sources of income and magic stones: Because Gold is worth more than Silver does not mean that Silver is worth nothing. </p>
About the ability similar to Fairy Senior: I just kicked an example but it could be any other feeling, something that might be more suitable for Ryuu would be guilt, remorse or regret </p><p>About the ability similar to Shinra Tensei: It would not need to be as powerful as the original, it could have a delay between one repulsion and another and the consumption of mind could be high. It is one thing to know that elves are like this and it is another thing for the elf himself to know that he is like this and worry a lot about it making it a big problem (Ryuu has even cursed the gods because of this). </p><p>If it was possible to have level 4 survivors even if just by luck, why not level 5 or 6? (lack of proof about the existence of something is not proof of its nonexistence). </p><p>Ryuu may be superior to other level 4 but that does not mean that she always won or won easily. As for stronger opponents, she may have fled or used other means (guerrilla tactics exist for that). Else her opponents might not always be Evillus but could be someone wanting the prize on her. </p><p>About Ilta Farna: again "probable" is not "certainty". </p><p>Never read QuestxQuest but the synopsis here doesn’t mention level 1 just says the monsters are much weaker, not to mention that in the same story it took a level 1 adventurer and a level 2 to defeat the Bloodsaurus, all to obtain material from outside Orario to make a special potion (since it recovers health and magic at the same time) of good quality. </p><p>About other sources of income and magic stones: Because Gold is worth more than Silver does not mean that Silver is worth nothing. </p>
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What I meant by Trackless Step and Ghost Walker is that it would be a skill that could hinder hers location, recognition, or make her go unnoticed.</i></div>
<p>Again, there has to be a background, a meaning, either feelings or a part of her personality, for a skill like that to appear. For her hiding had non sentimental meaning. You keep explaining me how would that skill be but not disproving the reason I give for it to no appear. </p> <div class="quote"><i> About the ability similar to Fairy Senior: I just kicked an example but it could be any other feeling, something that might be more suitable for Ryuu would be guilt, remorse or regret </i></div>
<p>The same as above, you explain how that skill is but don’t explain why the reason I give for it no appearing, the fact that Bell helped her forgive herself, is not valid. </p> <div class="quote"><i> It is one thing to know that elves are like this and it is another thing for the elf himself to know that he is like this and worry a lot about it making it a big problem (Ryuu has even cursed the gods because of this). </i></div>
<p>The only time she showed to hate that part of her as an Elf was in Encounter and Vow something that she didn’t cared for after meeting Alise in the same story and she hadn’t shown to hate it in others SS or in the main serie. So again, there is no reason for it to appear. </p> <div class="quote"><i> If it was possible to have level 4 survivors even if just by luck, why not level 5 or 6? (lack of proof about the existence of something is not proof of its nonexistence). </i></div>
<p>It was said Ryuu alone killed what was left of Evilus in her rampage. If there was a Level 5 or 6 still alive she wouldn’t had been able to do it. </p> <div class="quote"><i> Ryuu may be superior to other level 4 but that does not mean that she always won or won easily. As for stronger opponents, she may have fled or used other means (guerrilla tactics exist for that). Else her opponents might not always be Evilus but could be someone wanting the prize on her. </i></div>
<p>If she used other means then she wouldn’t had gotten excelia from it. Also I never said that she won easily, there was a reason she was in a terrible state when Syr found her, but that even if someone struggle as long as the enemies are of lower level the adventurer will gain very little excelia. </p> <div class="quote"><i> About Ilta Farna: again "probable" is not "certainty".</i></div>
<p>It doesn’t matter since they never fought, also Ilta is Level 5 so if they fought she would win and capture Ryuu, if she didn’t let her go because of respect. </p> <div class="quote"><i> Never read QuestxQuest but the synopsis here doesn’t mention level 1 just says the monsters are much weaker, not to mention that in the same story it took a level 1 adventurer and a level 2 to defeat the Bloodsaurus, all to obtain material from outside Orario to make a special potion (since it recovers health and magic at the same time) of good quality.</i></div>
<p>In the story Naaza said that Bell as Level 1 could handle against the Bloodsaurus. It didn’t was difficult to defeat the Bloodsaurus, Naaza just shouted some arrows and it was over all what Bell did was run from it. And I read the story, I know what it was about. </p> <div class="quote"><i> About other sources of income and magic stones: Because Gold is worth more than Silver does not mean that Silver is worth nothing.</i></div>
<p>Yes, but if you can take either silver or gold it is better to take the gold, no? </p>
<p>Again, there has to be a background, a meaning, either feelings or a part of her personality, for a skill like that to appear. For her hiding had non sentimental meaning. You keep explaining me how would that skill be but not disproving the reason I give for it to no appear. </p> <div class="quote"><i> About the ability similar to Fairy Senior: I just kicked an example but it could be any other feeling, something that might be more suitable for Ryuu would be guilt, remorse or regret </i></div>
<p>The same as above, you explain how that skill is but don’t explain why the reason I give for it no appearing, the fact that Bell helped her forgive herself, is not valid. </p> <div class="quote"><i> It is one thing to know that elves are like this and it is another thing for the elf himself to know that he is like this and worry a lot about it making it a big problem (Ryuu has even cursed the gods because of this). </i></div>
<p>The only time she showed to hate that part of her as an Elf was in Encounter and Vow something that she didn’t cared for after meeting Alise in the same story and she hadn’t shown to hate it in others SS or in the main serie. So again, there is no reason for it to appear. </p> <div class="quote"><i> If it was possible to have level 4 survivors even if just by luck, why not level 5 or 6? (lack of proof about the existence of something is not proof of its nonexistence). </i></div>
<p>It was said Ryuu alone killed what was left of Evilus in her rampage. If there was a Level 5 or 6 still alive she wouldn’t had been able to do it. </p> <div class="quote"><i> Ryuu may be superior to other level 4 but that does not mean that she always won or won easily. As for stronger opponents, she may have fled or used other means (guerrilla tactics exist for that). Else her opponents might not always be Evilus but could be someone wanting the prize on her. </i></div>
<p>If she used other means then she wouldn’t had gotten excelia from it. Also I never said that she won easily, there was a reason she was in a terrible state when Syr found her, but that even if someone struggle as long as the enemies are of lower level the adventurer will gain very little excelia. </p> <div class="quote"><i> About Ilta Farna: again "probable" is not "certainty".</i></div>
<p>It doesn’t matter since they never fought, also Ilta is Level 5 so if they fought she would win and capture Ryuu, if she didn’t let her go because of respect. </p> <div class="quote"><i> Never read QuestxQuest but the synopsis here doesn’t mention level 1 just says the monsters are much weaker, not to mention that in the same story it took a level 1 adventurer and a level 2 to defeat the Bloodsaurus, all to obtain material from outside Orario to make a special potion (since it recovers health and magic at the same time) of good quality.</i></div>
<p>In the story Naaza said that Bell as Level 1 could handle against the Bloodsaurus. It didn’t was difficult to defeat the Bloodsaurus, Naaza just shouted some arrows and it was over all what Bell did was run from it. And I read the story, I know what it was about. </p> <div class="quote"><i> About other sources of income and magic stones: Because Gold is worth more than Silver does not mean that Silver is worth nothing.</i></div>
<p>Yes, but if you can take either silver or gold it is better to take the gold, no? </p>
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<p>Falna is about bringing up the experience so the fact that she forgives herself does not change the fact that she blamed herself and that’s what Falna could bring up.
</p><p>The same goes for everything she lived, the falna could turn it into something palpable at the time of the update.
Bell and Syr only touched Ryu after she attacked the Evillus (after the end of the Astrea Familia) and yet she remained very aware of it.
Recalling that Ryuu has 5 years of accumulated experience.
</p><p>Ps .: in the xenos arc Bell no longer ran away but still acquired the DA Escape.
</p><p>If Ryuu killed what was left of the Evillus 5 years ago, why do we still have Evillus today? Did she forget to kill Valletta or Jura?
</p><p>Regarding guerrilla tactics, it matters if she won a lot, little or nothing of excelia, the important thing is that she could overcome a superior adversary (even if only to escape).
</p><p>About Ilta Farna: Again you are mistaking "certainty" for "possibility". It is not possible to nail with 100% certainty that she would capture Ryuu (unless the author says so).
</p><p>QuestxQuest: then you can confirm that they went to get Bloodsaurus's eggs outside the dungeon.
</p><p>Of course, between silver and gold I would take the gold but if I can't get the gold I would try to get the silver or is it that if you can't get the gold you wouldn't even try to get the silver?
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