One of the biggest problems by far is the Levels of the Captains of the Zeus Familia and Hera Familia. I think Level 9 is just a bit much. If they had it with 2 Level eights. Or a Level 8 and 7. Then both would have been fine. But the Fact that a Level 9 couldn't kill the One Eyed Black Dragon. It feels me with great concern on what's going to happen with pur current characters.

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Quote: In his defense. He was just a 14 year old boy rookie. </p> </i></div>
<p>Even if you're a 14 year old rookie, you don't go into a place that's clearly dangerous with that kind of mentality </p>

<p>@Angelo Bell was brought up differently so him having that kind of mentality is ot wrong. </p><p>My biggest issue in the series is lack of enough men around Bell. I know this is a harem series but want atleast more guidance for Bell to be more 'manly' imo. </p><p>That is my only issue and i think so far author is doing well in his setting...guys arguing of lvl power inflation should read the series properly....just because the higher lvl character are the main focus of the story that doesnt mean the world is full of them. Even having 1000lvl 6 in a billion population means lvl 6 is hard to reach and talent isnt something every one is born with coz people will never be equal. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Angelo Gabrini wrote: <p>It technically does since it'd be pretty hard to get the excilia they'd need outside of Orario, but I do agree that they should've been higher level </p><p>And yeah, Bell's growth clearly comes from Liaris Freese; people arguing that it's his own hard work need to realize that Bell without it would never come close to what he is now even with all the hard work </p> </i></div>
<p>Maybe i should clarify this a bit more i dont mean the time that Welf and the Take kids spent outside of Orario by this lvl issue thing. I actually mean both of these parties or at least Welf are 8 years in Orario as Adventurers. Welf run away at the age of 10 from Rakia and Heph found a little bit later and invited him to her familia. So Welf at least has 8 years of adventure experience but is still lvl 1 at the start of the series even tough he is as important asset for the Hestia Familia or should I rather say should be an important asset. I think this as well applies for the Take Familia. </p><p>I think people mostly just forget Liaris Fresse in their "praise" for Bell. If Bell wouldnt have Liaris Fresse he would progress as any normal adventurer or maybe as fast as Aiz did for her first lvl up or maybe sligtly faster because MC bonus. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>You're misunderstanding me; I meant that Mikoto is probably misunderstanding her feelings for Takemikazuchi since he's been her parental figure since she came to the shrine </p> </i></div>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. I really did misunderstood it. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>I agree, Bell should at least act differently than how he started out as by this point, but he's still a goody two shoes nice guy that can't bear to not save people, especially if they're women, and is still just as gullible </p> </i></div>
<p>I agree. Omori should really start to develop bell as a character like better late then never. He doesnt need to become someone Bete (even tough he is second best boi after best boi Welf),  </p>

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@Angelo Bell was brought up differently so him having that kind of mentality is ot wrong.</i></div>
<p>It is wrong for several reasons. First off, his grandfather, who is keenly aware of the dangers, encourages Bell to become an adventurer but rather than adding practical consideration of making him understand that this is dangerous. However, Bell learns it is a great place to pick up girls and a general sense of fantasy in place that by the authors own words is supposed to be dangerous in the extreme as well as absolutely terrifying. The author own thoughts when he first imagined the opening scene was how terrifying such a happening would be. Instead he shows something that is the complete opposite. (This was one of the story elements that worked a lot better before I knew what the author was going for) Secondly, regardless of how he was raised, he is walking into a place that is effectively supposed to be like walking into the no mans land of WW1. No 14 year old, no matter how naive, is going to do that for the reason provided.  Finally, and perhaps most important, Bell was almost killed as a young child by a monster. Going into the dungeon without that having a real effect on his mentality wasn't plausible. It may not be the ancient Danmachi world, but it is still supposed to be a dangerous place. Zeus should have taught Bell something, anything, about understanding the world he lived in. To almost be killed and then have such an impractical idea of the Dungeon is ridiculous. </p> <div class="quote"><i>My biggest issue in the series is lack of enough men around Bell. I know this is a harem series but want atleast more guidance for Bell to be more 'manly' imo.</i></div>
<p>The manlyness argument again...  </p> <div class="quote"><i>That is my only issue and i think so far author is doing well in his setting...guys arguing of lvl power inflation should read the series properly....just because the higher lvl character are the main focus of the story that doesnt mean the world is full of them. Even having 1000lvl 6 in a billion population means lvl 6 is hard to reach and talent isnt something every one is born with coz people will never be equal.</i></div>
<p>Sighs* Yes everyone is well aware that there are very few, supposedly, high levels. The problem is that the author built a world where leveling is increadilby hard and time consuming. But the main protagonist has in six month managed to reach upper level four and can rank up right now, as well as already swing at the power of a level five. It is a safe bet Bell will end up at level nine with power in excess of level 11. Throw Haruhime in there and then he is effectively level 12. The next highest with UnK is going to be a base level nine. So how is anyone supposed to plausibly contribute. Especially Bell closest friends who the author has made clear are supposed to stay relevent as a party inspite of the vast chasm in power difference. Within the setting created by the author, where levels arbitrate what is practical, there is no plausible way for level sixes to contribute against a monster that kill a level nine. </p><p>If there were a thousand level sixes it wouldn't be measured against your theoretical population of 1 billion, it would be measured agains the population of adventurers. People actually trying to level up. Given that less than half of all adventurers never make it to level two and ranking up without the dungeon is near impossible without constant deathmatchs, which by the way isn't plausibly sustainable, as the attrition rate would exceed the rate of ranking up massively. The place with the highest population of level sixes is Orario with just 11. Oh, also level six isn't impressive anymore, as it is way below the record. Which begs the question, why has the author built up level six to be something special and to a far greater degree level seven. </p><p>Talent is also overrated, determination and diligence should still be able to make up for much of the difference. Especially if a talented person put less effort in, prodigies aside. </p><p>To conclude, it is we aren't reading the series properly, it's you aren't considering the greater effect of the author's decision. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Drake Atlas wrote: Maybe i should clarify this a bit more i dont mean the time that Welf and the Take kids spent outside of Orario by this lvl issue thing. I actually mean both of these parties or at least Welf are 8 years in Orario as Adventurers. Welf run away at the age of 10 from Rakia and Heph found a little bit later and invited him to her familia. So Welf at least has 8 years of adventure experience but is still lvl 1 at the start of the series even tough he is as important asset for the Hestia Familia or should I rather say should be an important asset. I think this as well applies for the Take Familia.</i></div>
<p>Welf is 17, also he spent an unstated amount of time working as a smith in Zolingham. So he has less than 8 years, probably quiet a bit less. He also is a smith first spending less time in the dungeon than a full adventurer and was hamstrung by his relationship with the rest of the familia. Your argument for the Take Familia falls under the rule of no good excelia outside of Orario. We've been over this before your idea for having welf level three or even just two doesn't work. Ouka as level three has all the same problems I've pointed out before. </p> <div class="quote"><i>If Bell wouldnt have Liaris Fresse he would progress as any normal adventurer or maybe as fast as Aiz did for her first lvl up or maybe sligtly faster because MC bonus.</i></div>
<p>Honestly, this would have been better. Allowing time to skip between arcs, as well as keeping all characters relevent. And would allow the MC to grow in age and character. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Kevhunt06 wrote: <p>Welf is 17, also he spent an unstated amount of time working as a smith in Zolingham. So he has less than 8 years, probably quiet a bit less. He also is a smith first spending less time in the dungeon than a full adventurer and was hamstrung by his relationship with the rest of the familia. Your argument for the Take Familia falls under the rule of no good excelia outside of Orario. We've been over this before your idea for having welf level three or even just two doesn't work. Ouka as level three has all the same problems I've pointed out before. </p> </i></div>
<p>First thx for correcting me for my mistake of the age of Welf really i thought he 18. Even if Welf spent less then seven years in orario and adventuring he should still be an adventurer for at least 3 years but aside that. Actually i think he didnt spent much time Zolingham as it sounded in the Synopsis for his backstory chapter it sounded like he was there just for few days because of little battle over the anvil he had.  Maybe i should be more clearer with the take thing. I think takes children started adventuring as children because sounded like that they left the west before or after haruhime was taken away but this as well could be my fault for misunderstanding and forgeting information. Because of this i say Welf and take children should be stronger then as they are right now.  </p> <div class="quote"><i>Honestly, this would have been better. Allowing time to skip between arcs, as well as keeping all characters relevent. And would allow the MC to grow in age and character.</i></div>
<p>Yeah it could be better but i think that take a very long in universe time and especially Omori would skip most things think. It seems like after the info we got from the Freya LN he doesnt have any idea how much dmg he did with this peace of information. And like he even said the Beside the Main LN everything else is just an option. This option thing is thrown out of the window with his stupidness and very important infos we got. Im not even sure if he will mention that Orario was in great danger because of the SO story in the Main LN. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Angelo Gabrini wrote: This is the problem of having the only dungeon in the world be in Orario; there's really no reason to explore the outside world, and it also creates the level disparity which makes it plot convenience when a high level person appears </p> </i></div>
<p>Definitely in agreement there. The entire hook of the Danmachi setting is the whole Falna and Dungeon schtick - which only exists in Orario. The fact that Rakia (a highly militarized kingdom) got punked so hard by adventuers who weren't even trying just shows how irrelevant everything 'outside' is. Sure Omori can explore those places; but without the Dungeon and Falna (everyone outside is 2 or 3 at best), it'd just be generic fantasy #13. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's heroic to the masses because they're stopping the monsters from leaving the dungeon. </p> </i></div>
<p>Considering it's been a thousand years since Orario was built. There's likely no one alive (aside from the gods or a very long lived Elf) who still remembers the time monsters freely roamed the world. Orario's current reputation is one of wealth, culture, and all that jazz as it's the only source of magic stones after all. Imagine Saudi Arabia except the size of a city, and the SOLE exporter of oil in the entire world. </p><p>But anyway I'm going on a tangent. I was defining "hero stuff" as "things done for the good of the many with no motive for recompense". Which isn't what adventurers are at all. Yet Omori keeps hamering the whole "HERO, HERO". Even Bell's reason for going to Orario was selfish. Not gaining wealth and power so he can return to his village and punk every single monster out there. Nope he goes to Orario to be a hero and pick up girls. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Actually, Finn and the rest of the Loki Familia's levels are widely known in the world. </p> </i></div>
<p>They're known for no other reason that Omori wanted them to be known. Despite the fact that they stay in one city, don't perform heroic deeds outside of said city, and there is no form of mass communication in the setting. Other than the divine mirrors which need special permission. </p><p>My point was to the average joe, who is likely not to regularly interact with any god nor see or hear the feats of a high level adventurers (it's not like adventurers have after fight interviews and replays) , and exacerbated by the fact that both of those things (gods and adventurers) existing almost exclusively in Orario, can neither appreciate nor care about arbitrary numbers (i.e. levels). Hence Finn's method does not make sense. </p><p>In short: There is and can only ever be Orario. </p><p>While I'm at it might as well include one major gripe with the setting I forgot: </p><p>4) Magic - Despite magic being so prominent in the setting, DanMachi has one of the laziest systems I've ever read. Can't learn spells like one woud learn a skill. Either born with it, Falna gifts it, read a grimoire, or hope Omori is feeling generous. Oh and only THREE spells MAX. Making Riveria and Lefiya, super super special snowflakes. They're literally the "Bell Cranel" of mages. </p><p>5) You're special, you get to be special, EVERYONE's special - Every Single Thing in this setting. Lily get unique illusion magic, gets a Commander skill (for no reason). Welf the best magic sword smith in the entire world. Haruhime with the +1 (and read a 200 million grimoire because why not?). Practially the entire Loki Familia. And I'm not going to include Bell. </p><p>Everyone is special, everyone is unique, no one goes through proper arcs to gain power or test their convictions. Nope, Omori just hand waves everything, goes "you get a unique skill, you get a unique spell, you get a unique item, EVERYONE GETS SOMETHING UNIQUE", and calls it "character development". </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Drake Atlas wrote: <p>Even if Welf spent less then seven years in orario and adventuring he should still be an adventurer for at least 3 years but aside that. Actually i think he didnt spent much time Zolingham as it sounded in the Synopsis for his backstory chapter it sounded like he was there just for few days because of little battle over the anvil he had.  </p> Maybe i should be more clearer with the take thing. I think takes children started adventuring as children because sounded like that they left the west before or after haruhime was taken away but this as well could be my fault for misunderstanding and forgeting information. Because of this i say Welf and take children should be stronger then as they are right now.</i></div>
<p>There is nothing about a battle over an anvil in the synopsis, nor is there anything to gauge the amount of time passed. Given Welf would have need to run a long way from Rakia and would have needed to lay low long enough for the chase to burn itself out, it is more plausible that notable of time passed first. </p><p>Take's familia got their falnas when they were young, but spent most of that time in the far east. They were separated from Haruhime before she was disowned. With the established setting there is no plausible reason for them to be stronger. Narrative wise it is impossible without completely restructuring their start in the story and certain plot elements. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Im not even sure if he will mention that Orario was in great danger because of the SO story in the Main LN.</i></div>
<p>Probably not since he is still pretending the stories are separate. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Quote: </p><p>Considering it's been a thousand years since Orario was built. There's likely no one alive (aside from the gods or a very long lived Elf) who still remembers the time monsters freely roamed the world. </p> </i></div>
<p>Huh? There are still plenty of monsters running around outside. Many of the people in series have had their families or friends killed by monsters. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>They're known for no other reason that Omori wanted them to be known. Despite the fact that they stay in one city, don't perform heroic deeds outside of said city, and there is no form of mass communication in the setting. Other than the divine mirrors which need special permission. </p> </i></div>
<p>Finn has been an adventurer for decades now, and while they don't have mass communication, there is still a steady stream of people moving in and out of the city who spread tales about him. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>My point was to the average joe, who is likely not to regularly interact with any god nor see or hear the feats of a high level adventurers (it's not like adventurers have after fight interviews and replays) , and exacerbated by the fact that both of those things (gods and adventurers) existing almost exclusively in Orario, can neither appreciate nor care about arbitrary numbers (i.e. levels). Hence Finn's method does not make sense. </p> </i></div>
<p>People with falna are rare but not unheard of outside of Orario. The reason Finn is known is because he accomplishes great deeds. His method makes sense because his fellow pallums are inspired by these deeds to improve their lot in life. </p><p>In short: There is and can only ever be Orario. </p><p>While I'm at it might as well include one major gripe with the setting I forgot: </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>4) Magic - Despite magic being so prominent in the setting, DanMachi has one of the laziest systems I've ever read. Can't learn spells like one woud learn a skill. Either born with it, Falna gifts it, read a grimoire, or hope Omori is feeling generous. Oh and only THREE spells MAX. Making Riveria and Lefiya, super super special snowflakes. They're literally the "Bell Cranel" of mages. </p> </i></div>
<p>This I agree with. Spells are barely any different than skills. </p>