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ALL POSTSWhen do you think Bell Vs Ottar will happen?
<p>When this eventually happens I think it'll be great but I don't know how the author would approach the situation but below is one scenario I've thought of.
</p><p>One scenario I can think of is AIS angering Ottar and starting a personal (not familia) fight when they are alone but AIS is eventually outmatched and is about to get killed and before anyone (like Loki familia when they realise whats happening) can intervene Bell with his incredible Agility saves AIS but bell doesn't know what's happening or who ottar is (they haven't met have they) when bell intervenes he blocks Ottars strike with such force and speed that Ottars blade breaks (not the udueas blade). Ottar verbally attacks bell saying that he's pathetic and not worthy of being a hero (so that Bell can overcome it and fight him to please freya) Bell gets angry and then fights Ottar and is able to somewhat hold his own against him for a minute or two, during this Ottar is speaking and tormenting bell making bell go beyond his limits. Bell having to use everything starts to fight unconsciously and only with his instincts since thinking and fighting was slow and risked him dying, this means that bell is basically unconscious with only his fear of death and wanting to save AIS keeping him going. The force between each one of Ottars strikes send shivers throughout bell and even some of Bells bones start braking but because of his state of mind he doesn't feel pain. Throughout this Bell is shouting 'MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE' as in more strength. Ottar becomes impressed with his strength (hopefully bell is high level 5 at this point) ottar realising that bell can't endure any more and seeing this as an opportunity to create a hero stops and starts speaking properly to bell and any onlookers-
</p><p>(by this point the executives of both the Freya and Loki familia are here as well as all of the hestia familia and some other main characters like Hermes, ryuu, Hephaestus, take, miach, ganesha and others)
</p><p>-Ottar says something like he acknowledges Bell and that he needs to get stronger so that they can fight him again otherwise he will kill all of his familia. Ottar also in an attempt to raise bells notoriety says 'get stronger and surpass me because I KING OTTAR ACKNOWLEDGE YOU AS THE PRINCE WHO WILL SUCCEED THE KING'. then Ottar and the rest of the Freya familia leave with Freya telling bell she loves him in secret so only bell and Loki realise. Bell then passed out in his feet again leaving everyone there to be on awe of him and his bravery making them unable to move and even making Finn to say 'this guy really, he's impossible'. as Bell falls over eventually AIS catches him and says thank you.
</p><p>I'm sorry theres a lot there but I couldn't hold myself back and I know that when bell and ottar fight the narrative will be much better than mine.
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<p>. Freya won't try anything that Bell can start to hate Freya .
AIS This is Freya's enemy standing in her way.
Freya probably knows about Bell's ability from Tammuz more than sure.
And then he certainly knows the cause of his abilities. However, she is the goddess of beauty. He knows better than anyone what love and such things mean.
Without Ais Bell, he gets to Freya 100%.
Hestia was not and will never be an opponent who can do anything against Freya.
Hestia is afraid of Freya.
And he probably knows that Freya laid her eyes on Bell.
</p><p>He won't attack Ais directly. It would affect the color of Bell's soul. And after Freya's story. Bell is her fate.
Maybe he'll just try to destroy the image of Ais (psychically and honorably Ais), so he won't love her anymore. And if so, then his ability disappears.
So her charm will have an effect on him.
And then it will be hers.
</p><p>Otarr will never directly attack Bell.
He is loyal to Freya.
And Freya will never attack (the man she hopes to be her destiny), after Freya's story we know what Freya wants from Bell or what she is looking for and it seems she has found it.
Or so she thinks.
She thinks Bell is her destiny. She is looking for someone special, someone good enough for her.
A fight with Otarr can only exist if the actions can be changed.
The example of the Freya family is a struggle with Loki. Then definitely give it to Bell or he'll help Ais.
Or something similar, but hard to believe.
I'd rather see or fight Allen to attack Bell.
Although Allen is also loyal to Freya. This can happen
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<div class="quote"><i>Ardamon wrote:
. Freya won't try anything that Bell can start to hate Freya . <p>AIS This is Freya's enemy standing in her way. Freya probably knows about Bell's ability from Tammuz more than sure. And then he certainly knows the cause of his abilities. However, she is the goddess of beauty. He knows better than anyone what love and such things mean. Without Ais Bell, he gets to Freya 100%. Hestia was not and will never be an opponent who can do anything against Freya. Hestia is afraid of Freya. And he probably knows that Freya laid her eyes on Bell. </p><p>He won't attack Ais directly. It would affect the color of Bell's soul. And after Freya's story. Bell is her fate. Maybe he'll just try to destroy the image of Ais (psychically and honorably Ais), so he won't love her anymore. And if so, then his ability disappears. So her charm will have an effect on him. And then it will be hers. </p><p>Otarr will never directly attack Bell. He is loyal to Freya. And Freya will never attack (the man she hopes to be her destiny), after Freya's story we know what Freya wants from Bell or what she is looking for and it seems she has found it. Or so she thinks. She thinks Bell is her destiny. She is looking for someone special, someone good enough for her. A fight with Otarr can only exist if the actions can be changed. The example of the Freya family is a struggle with Loki. Then definitely give it to Bell or he'll help Ais. Or something similar, but hard to believe. I'd rather see or fight Allen to attack Bell. Although Allen is also loyal to Freya. This can happen </p> </i></div>
<p>I do like to see bell's soul's color become black or something else </p>
. Freya won't try anything that Bell can start to hate Freya . <p>AIS This is Freya's enemy standing in her way. Freya probably knows about Bell's ability from Tammuz more than sure. And then he certainly knows the cause of his abilities. However, she is the goddess of beauty. He knows better than anyone what love and such things mean. Without Ais Bell, he gets to Freya 100%. Hestia was not and will never be an opponent who can do anything against Freya. Hestia is afraid of Freya. And he probably knows that Freya laid her eyes on Bell. </p><p>He won't attack Ais directly. It would affect the color of Bell's soul. And after Freya's story. Bell is her fate. Maybe he'll just try to destroy the image of Ais (psychically and honorably Ais), so he won't love her anymore. And if so, then his ability disappears. So her charm will have an effect on him. And then it will be hers. </p><p>Otarr will never directly attack Bell. He is loyal to Freya. And Freya will never attack (the man she hopes to be her destiny), after Freya's story we know what Freya wants from Bell or what she is looking for and it seems she has found it. Or so she thinks. She thinks Bell is her destiny. She is looking for someone special, someone good enough for her. A fight with Otarr can only exist if the actions can be changed. The example of the Freya family is a struggle with Loki. Then definitely give it to Bell or he'll help Ais. Or something similar, but hard to believe. I'd rather see or fight Allen to attack Bell. Although Allen is also loyal to Freya. This can happen </p> </i></div>
<p>I do like to see bell's soul's color become black or something else </p>
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I do like to see bell's soul's color become black or something else
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A black or gray soul would mean a bad person. An evil person. Or at least that would be the significance. Bell's soul is brilliantly transparent </p>
A black or gray soul would mean a bad person. An evil person. Or at least that would be the significance. Bell's soul is brilliantly transparent </p>
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<p>@Ardamon
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I really find your theory very interesting, I have not really seen that of this aspect but you have just enlightened me on several details, thank you very much for your answer but I have a few questions that still torment me: </p><p>Can a capacity really disappear? </p><p>- I think it will not really disappear but will deactivate at the moment or if I follow your theory Bell loses all feelings for Aiz and therefore he will become like a banal adventurer and it would be interesting to see a Bell totally overwhelmed by the events, but I have the strong intuition that Bell will not drop Aiz for nothing in the world, I give the example of Lily who did a lot of bad things that bell ended up forgiving in the end, so what will be you? it from Aiz, but that would mean that Bell will not have deactivation of Larias freese and therefore freeya's attempts will be doomed to failure. </p><p>Bell Crannel acquired this capacity of Aiz Wallenstein, many people are divided and mixed when the activation of Larias Freese, is it only related to these deep feelings for Aiz Wallenstein and therefore the author tells us not really who is going on in Bell's mind at the time of the action, or is it related to these emotions and to Bell's voluptuousness at the time of the action and whoever it is? </p><p>- personally I think that fact that Bell acquired him from a deep desire to be with Aiz, maybe the skill is linked exclusively to Aiz and if it is the case your theory of disappearance of the skill will be an answer to this question that a lot of people ask themselves (me first) </p><p>I fully agree that Freeya is far too clever to declare a hot war, but rather a psychological war in the Loki famillia and more especially in Aiz, but the one I could tell you is that Freeya could very well considering the catastrophes which it caused by its challenge for Bell wanting to eliminate Aiz after that say maybe these multiple attempts to make Aiz hate in the eyes of bell fail then it will pass to a more radical method, I see Freeya before then end of these plan when she will be defeated see in Bell and Aiz an indestructible link or before she can return to heaven (if she is sent by force but I would like so much not she is so charismatic but let's assume) say "it's so that a true love "without even Aiz and Bell not understanding the meaning of the sentence but Hestia will have understood and maybe she will stop pissing off Bell all the time, but I don't really believe it. </p>
I really find your theory very interesting, I have not really seen that of this aspect but you have just enlightened me on several details, thank you very much for your answer but I have a few questions that still torment me: </p><p>Can a capacity really disappear? </p><p>- I think it will not really disappear but will deactivate at the moment or if I follow your theory Bell loses all feelings for Aiz and therefore he will become like a banal adventurer and it would be interesting to see a Bell totally overwhelmed by the events, but I have the strong intuition that Bell will not drop Aiz for nothing in the world, I give the example of Lily who did a lot of bad things that bell ended up forgiving in the end, so what will be you? it from Aiz, but that would mean that Bell will not have deactivation of Larias freese and therefore freeya's attempts will be doomed to failure. </p><p>Bell Crannel acquired this capacity of Aiz Wallenstein, many people are divided and mixed when the activation of Larias Freese, is it only related to these deep feelings for Aiz Wallenstein and therefore the author tells us not really who is going on in Bell's mind at the time of the action, or is it related to these emotions and to Bell's voluptuousness at the time of the action and whoever it is? </p><p>- personally I think that fact that Bell acquired him from a deep desire to be with Aiz, maybe the skill is linked exclusively to Aiz and if it is the case your theory of disappearance of the skill will be an answer to this question that a lot of people ask themselves (me first) </p><p>I fully agree that Freeya is far too clever to declare a hot war, but rather a psychological war in the Loki famillia and more especially in Aiz, but the one I could tell you is that Freeya could very well considering the catastrophes which it caused by its challenge for Bell wanting to eliminate Aiz after that say maybe these multiple attempts to make Aiz hate in the eyes of bell fail then it will pass to a more radical method, I see Freeya before then end of these plan when she will be defeated see in Bell and Aiz an indestructible link or before she can return to heaven (if she is sent by force but I would like so much not she is so charismatic but let's assume) say "it's so that a true love "without even Aiz and Bell not understanding the meaning of the sentence but Hestia will have understood and maybe she will stop pissing off Bell all the time, but I don't really believe it. </p>
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<p>@Gozulolz
</p><p>It has been said already that the definition in Japanese specify that Liaris Freese is only related to Bell’s feelings for Ais although it shouldn’t disappear in the hypothetic case that Bell’s feelings disappear it should just stop working but still appear in his status.
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<p>In a way I think Freya could win the bell but if she were honest.
Conquering, but without all her tricks.
The assumption that it could. She is a beautiful woman clearly and without her magic.
But it will not happen.
And he will definitely use tricks, so he will lose.
</p><p>Although after the Freya episode.
Somehow we see that it's not close to bad.
Although it manipulates the world a lot. The assumption that a beauty goddess can love someone at once.
Now it depends on how you act.
If he tries to talk to Bell and conquer him normally without tricks, then he can succeed. Bell admits at Apollo's banquet that Freya is beautiful. (But Ais is more beautiful)
If he is an antagonist, then he loses clearly.
It depends on what plans the author has.
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<p>@Rigiel31415
</p><p>Can you tell me or can I find the Japanese definition of the skill Larias freese, it's not that I don't believe you but I would like to make sure with my own eyes.
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@Aradamon </p><p>If what you say is true then Freeya will not be really lucky, given the very evil path she takes to try to have a bell (I am referring to the threats on Aiz, to the murder of several adventurers by the minotaur, the favor which she requests from Aiz which will surely be related to bell or at least unduly) it remains very unlikely, the real obstacle to Freeya will remain Aiz and as long as Aiz is in the equation it will be impossible for her to have it really, so she will necessarily use these tricks of magic or slyness to hope to arrive at a precise goal, but I am 90% sure that it will fail, everything will depend on the direction of the other as you say. </p>
@Aradamon </p><p>If what you say is true then Freeya will not be really lucky, given the very evil path she takes to try to have a bell (I am referring to the threats on Aiz, to the murder of several adventurers by the minotaur, the favor which she requests from Aiz which will surely be related to bell or at least unduly) it remains very unlikely, the real obstacle to Freeya will remain Aiz and as long as Aiz is in the equation it will be impossible for her to have it really, so she will necessarily use these tricks of magic or slyness to hope to arrive at a precise goal, but I am 90% sure that it will fail, everything will depend on the direction of the other as you say. </p>
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<p>Gozulolz wrote:
@Rigiel31415
</p><p>Can you tell me or can I find the Japanese definition of the skill Larias freese, it's not that I don't believe you but I would like to make sure with my own eyes.
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@Aradamon </p><p>If what you say is true then Freeya will not be really lucky, given the very evil path she takes to try to have a bell (I am referring to the threats on Aiz, to the murder of several adventurers by the minotaur, the favor which she requests from Aiz which will surely be related to bell or at least unduly) it remains very unlikely, the real obstacle to Freeya will remain Aiz and as long as Aiz is in the equation it will be impossible for her to have it really, so she will necessarily use these tricks of magic or slyness to hope to arrive at a precise goal, but I am 90% sure that it will fail, everything will depend on the direction of the other as you say. </p> </i></div>
<p>Bell's ability refers strictly to Ais. It has been discussed many times. Bell received the ability the day he was rescued by Ais. We call it love at first sight. And most of Bell's struggles were purposeful (to be good enough for her) </p><p>How about Freya </p><p>Freya can fight like a woman with Ais. And try to win Bell. And she has this power to make him like her. But to do it correctly. Without her divine charm. After all, if Bell were her fate, then he should love her and go to her willingly. Don't be obliged. Only that way he can win But like you said, she won't conquer as a woman. And he'll use dirty tricks and lose. </p><p>The attack on Ais was not a threat to her. It was a test for Bell. Freya wanted to see if Bell would use the magic she offered. The part with Ais was more reason. To be a reason to be there. Just a reason. </p><p>The agreement with the minotaur was clear. Bell was afraid of the minotaur. Freya saw in his soul and decided to help him overcome this fear. You should know that when Freya does something, she is not interested in harm. Whether he did it for her or not, but he helped Bell a lot. Now that it's an obsession, it's about something unique or he loves it, it's not known. But he'll go after Bell if he dies. Could it be something? That is, giving up children and parts of the lower world just to not lose Bell means Bell means a lot to her It only matters and how you managed to reach the goal (Bell) It can be understood and accepted if it can be suitable for the bell and then it can be shown that it is worth it. But I repeat that I do not think it will play correctly </p>
@Aradamon </p><p>If what you say is true then Freeya will not be really lucky, given the very evil path she takes to try to have a bell (I am referring to the threats on Aiz, to the murder of several adventurers by the minotaur, the favor which she requests from Aiz which will surely be related to bell or at least unduly) it remains very unlikely, the real obstacle to Freeya will remain Aiz and as long as Aiz is in the equation it will be impossible for her to have it really, so she will necessarily use these tricks of magic or slyness to hope to arrive at a precise goal, but I am 90% sure that it will fail, everything will depend on the direction of the other as you say. </p> </i></div>
<p>Bell's ability refers strictly to Ais. It has been discussed many times. Bell received the ability the day he was rescued by Ais. We call it love at first sight. And most of Bell's struggles were purposeful (to be good enough for her) </p><p>How about Freya </p><p>Freya can fight like a woman with Ais. And try to win Bell. And she has this power to make him like her. But to do it correctly. Without her divine charm. After all, if Bell were her fate, then he should love her and go to her willingly. Don't be obliged. Only that way he can win But like you said, she won't conquer as a woman. And he'll use dirty tricks and lose. </p><p>The attack on Ais was not a threat to her. It was a test for Bell. Freya wanted to see if Bell would use the magic she offered. The part with Ais was more reason. To be a reason to be there. Just a reason. </p><p>The agreement with the minotaur was clear. Bell was afraid of the minotaur. Freya saw in his soul and decided to help him overcome this fear. You should know that when Freya does something, she is not interested in harm. Whether he did it for her or not, but he helped Bell a lot. Now that it's an obsession, it's about something unique or he loves it, it's not known. But he'll go after Bell if he dies. Could it be something? That is, giving up children and parts of the lower world just to not lose Bell means Bell means a lot to her It only matters and how you managed to reach the goal (Bell) It can be understood and accepted if it can be suitable for the bell and then it can be shown that it is worth it. But I repeat that I do not think it will play correctly </p>
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<p>@Gozulolz
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<p>Ivaannom
</p><p>No. Liaris Freese will work while Bell is in love with Ais and depending of his feelings towards Ais. It has nothing to do with Bell wanting to become stronger.
</p><p>The description of that ability says that too.
</p><p>懸想が続く限り効果持続
</p><p>懸想(being in love)it reads like 想い(feelings)
</p><p>So the two ways to translate this is:
</p><p>1- The effects will continue while Bell is in love
</p><p>2- The effects will continue while bell's feelings continue
</p><p>And 懸想の丈により効果向上
</p><p>That means: Rise of the effects depending on how much he's in love(sorry, i don't know a better way to translate this)
</p><p>But Liaris Freese(at least the kanji憧憬一途) means wholehearted aspiration, and of course Bell's aspiration is Ais(you can see that because in his monologues he always refers to Ais as Aspiration, i think that I read here that Yen press translate it as Idol, but whatever) so I'm not really sure what will happen when Bell reachs or surprass his aspiration(Ais)
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<p>Thank you for the Link @ KevHunt06 I understand this skill a little better
</p><p>@Ardamon
</p><p>So that's what I thought he thinks of Aiz in every battle he undertakes and his objective remains static and precise he becomes strong because he has no right to lose, all right thank you for all these precisions.
</p><p>However it would be interesting to see Freeya won without using her tricks but I don't see how she could do it, but I recognize that Freeya has a deep love for Bell, she gives him everything he needs so that he can evolve and help him whenever he is in danger, but in return it is a danger for all women who approach Bell, I want to say fortunately for Ryuu that Freeya did not see the events of the 37th floors otherwise I think she will kill her outright for what she did, but I have the impression that Freeya only cares about the danger of Aiz the only problem with that is that she may try to Aiz away from Bell or smear the image of Aiz or whatever tricks she uses, it will only bring Bell closer to Aiz, it would be a shame to see Freeya fail even honestly, of all the characters that exist for me remains the most charismatic, we will see how the story ahead I think LN 16 will give us a little more information on future plans for Freeya.
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