I want to see specifically how Bell deals with Ottar.

Emiya4578·9/24/2022 in General

I am very curious to see how to deal with his overpowering presence sure his Familia has help but this adventurer is no patsy.

Rigel31415·10/4/2022

Personally I don't think Oomori would have such a thing. But I guess it is an option.

Ottar wasn't implied to have almost died. What was said was that he fought to his limit but ultimately was unable to finish off Balor, and when he returned he did so in a terrible condition.

Chronicler75·10/4/2022

@Rigel31415 It is a potential escape hatch that the author can use to get out of this situation without Bell really winning against Ottar. He is just not at that level yet. After the war game, he might be but not now, at least not without a fully charged Argo Vesta with Limit Off due to Ottar's healing abilities and his high defense.

(Edited by Chronicler75)

Rigel31415·10/4/2022

I mean, a single normal three minutes Argonaut charge from a Level 2 Bell could blow off like noting the head of the Black Goliath. So the charge you mention would be an overkill. By a lot. But yeah, I agree with you. He is still not there yet, and I seriously doubt he'll be by the War Game.

That said, even following your idea we would still need Bell to hurt him enough for Freya to worry in the first place. And that would still need Bell to be at least close to Ottar in terms of power.

Emiya4578·10/4/2022

I still don’t believe that Bell can’t beat Ottar by himself.

The other overlooked factor is battle experience it seems not to be taken lightly around here, and Ottar has a heaping help on this.

Chronicler75·10/4/2022

@Rigel31415 I thought that he used limit off for that. He used a full charge Argonaut twice back then.

The first was with a firebolt that took off part of the Black Goliath's head. The second time he used a sword of some sort and limit off. I think that in the SO novels it was mentioned to be a sword made by drop item from the Floor Boss that Ais beat.

(Edited by Chronicler75)

Rigel31415·10/4/2022

Yeah. The first charge that blew the Goliath's face was a normal charge. The second, with which he killed it, was the one for which he used Limit Off. And yes, it was the Udaeus Black Sword that he used for it.

(Edited by Rigel31415)

Citrus Tachibana·10/4/2022

Wouldn't Bell's stats be about 25% or more above even the highest leveled adventurers?

Dumb question but I'll ask anyway. Does the adventurer's level itself widen the power gap or is it everything that is gained prior to it?

ValetVlad·10/5/2022

Run very fast

Tz Axel·10/5/2022

well technically bell has surpassed ottar in some ways.

* in skill+magic - its the simple fact bell skill have the greater power output.

* in growth speed(fast level ups) - no one comes close to him

* surpassing the stats limits - only person to have achieved stats above S99 reaching to SS and SSS

and ottar mentioned to have strong will power. i think at some point its even said that ottar will power is his biggest asset... what ottar gaind through decades of hardship and strangely enough bell has surpasses him in will power too.

now, ottar only said bell has to surpass him we don't know in which way...

but if its direct fight realistically bell shouldn't win but if (i should say only if) ottar decide to take on bell argonaut like how he did with ais 'ill rafaga or like how he was about to against allen's strongest magic, then that will certainly results in ottar defeat.

i could talk about ais&bell vs ottar but others have already said a lot about that(i think they have winning chances) but if bell borrowed another person's strength would that consider as him surpassing ottar!

Sylenzy·10/7/2022

At the end of vol 17 Bell's stat sheet was shown just like at the end of vol 11 after which he leveled up at the very start of vol 12, so it most likely means that he'll be a level 5 by the start of vol 18. Most likely Bell will become a level 6 to finish the book off after his fight with Ottar. But there is also the possibility that Bell becomes a level 6 before his final fight with Ottar if Bell has two major fights.

He would level up to level 6 after the first one, it would be against the Freya familia's 1st tiers (excluding Ottar) which Bell would be ready for after training with loki familia and maxing out his level 5 stats. Then he would run away/recover/hide for a bit (from what I've read, vol 18 will have a hide and seek format so it would make sense for him to do so). Ultimately he will have his final fight with Ottar maxing out his level 6 stats, beating him in the process and leveling up to level 7 at the start of vol 19.

The reason I think that Bell could be a level 6 when fighting Ottar is because if he was a level 5 it would even be a fight, you know? I only came up with this theory after reading Gupnut’s opinion on the matter. He had the idea that Ottar would be the way Bell became a level 7, that Asterios would be the way Bell became a level 8 and that whatever is at the bottom of the dungeon would boost him to level 9, so the fact that Bell would probably be fighting Ottar as a level 5 and not as a level 6 didn’t make too much sense.

To make sure I’m not just talking crap I make a graph like the one Gupnut maked but extended it to level 11. This will all make sense in a second I promise….. :)

The graph aint showing :(

What I’m going to talk about might seem off topic but trust me it’s on topic.

Based on the comments on:

Albert WaldsteinDanMachi Wiki

Albert had the power of a level 10 when he fought against the OEBD which is estimated to have the power of el level 11, so to drive it away Albert had to sacrifice his life because he wasn’t strong enough to kill it. In short, Bell has to be even stronger than Albert to have a chance at killing the dragon and staying alive (cuz if he dies I’m gonna lose my shit).

Anyway, in the graph you can see that Bell as a newly level 9 is almost as strong as a newly level 11 Aiz. If we use Aiz as a base we can say that Bell at level 9 has a boost equivalent to around 2 levels. Which would be perfect for what I said earlier about albert. Not to mention that this “He had the idea that Ottar would be the way Bell became a level 7, that Asterios would be the way Bell became a level 8 and that whatever is at the bottom of the dungeon would boost him to level 9” would now also make sense if my theory about Bell leveling up twice with the events in vol 18 is correct.

I also agree with Gupnut about the fact that Bell would probably need some sort of new ability. Maybe Bell can develop argonaut so it covers his whole body and keep it activated for a prolonged amount of time, which would boost his overall power or something.

(Edited by Sylenzy)

What do you think?