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Maybe you should go and check Bete character page again. Hati isnt only getting stronger by eating magic it as well gets stronger by bete taking damage. Bete was bombarded with magic attack when he was chanting. After he was done and incirated the ones who attacked him he started absorbing the magic from the second blast of magic attacks the wound probably that opened where most likely his magic damaging him then anything else plus that he wasnt fully healed because before this fight he was injuried with cursed weapons.
Taking on someone from the same level is way easier than taking on someone from a higher one....
What does that change? Bete easily trashed a high lvl 6 Phyrne around where Aiz had problems with a lvl 5 Revis (Aiz was lvl 5 as well) with her Ariel. Aiz completly being on par and easily clapping Revis the next fight (in the mission with the Hermes Familia) wouldnt make sense If Revis where to be lvl 6. So yes Bete wastly outclasses Aiz and that only with his Beastification add Hati on top and she is trash in front of him.
Bell had a lower Strength...
Werent your own words that something with Plot armor cant be used for this. Bell had Plot Armor against Hyakinthos and there is no denying that. If Bell didnt knock him out in that punch he would be defeated or even would have died because Hyakinthos didnt give a damn about Apollos orders.
As for your attitude,...
And not being offended by every little thing someone writes seems something that is beyond your capabilities. Just because I am not 100% doesnt mean I am insulting we are in the goddamn Internet for gods sake. If you cant take somehting like this then just stop arguing with people.
Rigel always interprets everything in his own way. some events are canon for him, while others are plot armor. here, he picks on the word "probably" when apparently Omori just didn't want to give a clear answer because of the ais fans or to keep the intrigue going. and given what we are shown in LN, Betе has an advantage in status, experience and combat IQ, even without the use of the moon or Hati. in the best case, which can be Ariel, ais becomes high lvl 6, getting a boost of about 1000 to all stats, and even so, in pure mathematics, she only becomes approximately equal to the base Bete. not to mention no one said that Ariel's buff is over 500.
the wound probably that opened where most likely his magic damaging him
Except that the narration outright states that he is indeed receiving new wounds, which come from the attacks. It is even in the very quote I put to you.
"As with every new wound opening on the wolf’s body from the magic
salvo, the flames encapsulating his limbs grew in strength."
where Aiz had problems with a lvl 5 Revis
Never was it said that Revis was Level 5. That two people are from the same level doesn't mean they are complete equals. Some are gonna be stronger, others faster and so on. That Revis was weaker than a Level 6 Ais doesn't mean she wasn't a Level 6.
Bell had Plot Armor against Hyakinthos and there is no denying that.
If you don't want to accept that then what about Revis? She was also sent flying several meters by Gareth with a single punch in SO10.
Omori just didn't want to give a clear answer because of the ais fans or to keep the intrigue going.
Oomori has never had a problem being direct when he makes statements.
Betе has an advantage in status, experience and combat IQ
Status? Most likely, given their status sheets as Level 5s.
Experience? Well, if he has a chance of defeating Ais while normal then maybe.
Overall prowess? No he doesn't. Bete himself has recognized her as stronger than himself. Ottar also pointed out Ais as outstanding among her generation. And even the author pointed out said superiority.
You simply let your Ais hate overtake your reasoning, refusing to acknowledge that she isn't the mediocre fighter you believe her to be. Just like the discussion in my wall about this very same tweet.
no one said that Ariel's buff is over 500.
Neither did anyone ever said so about Hati. Or bestification. You are completely making up how strong are the boosts of each ability in relation to each other, when there is nothing to back up such claims.
Or how even with Ariel Ais can only hope to match Bete while he is normal, when there is nothing that suggests such a thing.
@Rigel31415
to my understanding magic is also a basics ability isn't bete completely missing magic?
how do one say he's overall better when he's missing on of the basic abilities!
It was clear Ikari was talking about physical prowess, which is affected by every stat besides Magic. But yeah, if you count them all Ais clearly wins by a large margin.
yeah he was only talking about strength.. but if you're adding up stats and come with the results i feel like you should also add magic to it .. especially for a person like ais who fights with magic all the time.
also i don't think anyone can argue magic won't make a difference in battles ..
but i guess you can reverse argue (i don't know if thats a thing i made that up .lol) like, say even without magic bete is on par with ais.
When someone has talked about stats alone they usually mean their prowess without abilities boosting them. And Ariel, as an enchantment, does that. It is not because of magic not making a difference.
And in this case Ariel does make a difference, as with it Ais is superior to the other Loki young executives and can stand up to even a bestified Bete using Hati.
>Oomori has never had a problem being direct when he makes statements.
never when it comes to ais against someone who is not above her level. the narrative even constantly states that she is one of the strongest, and Lefiya in SO3 says that her technique is better than Finn's. Of course, none of this is true, but Omori doesn't care because he has to advertise Ais because she's Bell's love interest.
>Status?
and it's not just a minor advantage. even if we compare the current status of ais and the completely zero lvl 6 Betе, he has an advantage in strength of 811 points, and an advantage in agility of 537. is it worth saying that this is a huge advantage?
>Experience?
Naturally, Bete has more experience. Ais didn't fight people as much as he
>Overall prowess?
naturally. how does Levis comment on encountering a level 5 ais comparing with Finn without taking any damage? "His strategy was completely different from Aiz's straightforward combat style, and it frustrated the red-haired woman to no end." before that ais was easily suppressed.
that's what the story says about Bete. so his combat is actually much better than ais:
"Along with power, the ash-colored werewolf was known for his speed and precision. Even among Loki Familia, he was considered the best at reading his opponents and retaliating against their next move before it could even happen. Each of the beasts seemed to be two or three seconds behind him as each attack was neutralized in quick succession."
then this is confirmed again, in the battle with Levis:
"Even with the assistance of Aiz’s Airiel, Bete was no match for Levis’s enhanced physical strength. All his skills and techniques combined weren’t enough to overcome her power. Ax kicks, sweeping kicks, reverse cyclone kicks—it didn’t matter. The red-haired woman simply dodged and blocked his wind-infused feet, spinning like a top.". it is Levis's physical abilities that are cited as the reason that Bete is unable to defeat her. this indicates quite clearly that Betе is easily superior to Levis in technique.
ais: "The techniques that she polished through countless hours of training and combat weren’t enough to match the woman’s skills."
another example, and again with Levis, the opponent they both fought, so it's easy to draw a parallel.
best ais damage:
"The woman’s remaining gauntlet became covered in several deep diagonal slashes, and strands of her red hair fell to the ground. Long red lines crisscrossed their way through the skin of both women.". and Levis didn't even show her best. almost a few paragraphs later, she easily bypasses Ais's defense and almost knocks her out with one punch.
best Bete damage:
"The werewolf’s onslaught tore her combat gear to shreds. One of her gauntlets went flying as the wound in her shoulder reopened, spraying blood as she spun.". although he fought against an opponent with a longsword, so it was much more difficult for him. you can say that ais also has a sword, but in experience Bete>Levis>Ais, so it will not be a problem for him to break through her defenses just like Levis herself did in SO2. it should be additionally noted that he once forced Levis to go into defense.
of course you can say that Betе had wind, but that doesn't matter since he originally fought a buffed Levis that turned dominance from basic ais into an equal fight with ais with wind, so her buff was actually at least equal to the full strength of Ariel. what happened to Bete? pathetic copy in boots. he did not even increase any physical qualities, he only had the properties of the wind itself, indirectly increasing his speed and allowing him to dodge mid-high lvl 6 attacks, being high lvl 5. that is, a level 5 Bete fought a much stronger Levis than the one that was fought by a level 5 Ais. now add to that a huge buff from Beastification, and then Hati's ability to devour ais wind for his own strengthening.
no matter how you look at it, ais simply has no chance. at best, she could fight the base Bete using her wind, but even that wouldn't ensure her victory. just based on the information we have
the narrative even constantly states that she is one of the strongest, and Lefiya in SO3 says that her technique is better than Finn's. Of course, none of this is true, but Omori doesn't care
While I'm critical of Omori's decisions on a lot of matters, if it is constantly stated that she is one of the strongest and that her techniques are better than Finn's, then she is one of the strongest and her techniques are better than Finn's.
Overall prowess?
We reach the same result in the end but what good does it serve to use the fight with Revis as a basis for the argument when we know Ais couldn't fight with all she had because she unconsciously restrained herself in front of humans or at least something she couldn't see as a monster?
If you take the very same opponent after Ais saw her as a monster then she completely overpower her with her skills and techniques, something the Bete you used as example couldn't do or at least he couldn't finish the job, Ais did and it was brutal.
I honestly don't think any side would have a major advantage over the other in a pure 1v1 with what we've seen, I would tend to agree with Rigel that Ais with Ariel could/can stand up to Bete with Hati and beastification. And if "Omori doesn't care" why bother thinking about that to begin with, Ais is going to be stronger and better anyways...
ais only called one of the strongest its different from called the strongest.. when talking about ottar novel (author) always says he's the strongest/cities strongest/cities.. he's not called one of the strongest.
when talking about ais it's either one of the strongest or orario's strongest swordswomen.
what lefiya said was ais surpassed him in pure swordsmanship in a 1v1 dual. but if we look at finn vs revis finn finn used kicks and punches used even at some point he used another knife to injure revis ..
ais doesn't do any of that. it just that finn strategy is superior to ais same for riveria & gareth. same for experience trio far surpasses ais that regard as well.
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