@Rigel31415

to my understanding magic is also a basics ability isn't bete completely missing magic?

how do one say he's overall better when he's missing on of the basic abilities!

It was clear Ikari was talking about physical prowess, which is affected by every stat besides Magic. But yeah, if you count them all Ais clearly wins by a large margin.

yeah he was only talking about strength.. but if you're adding up stats and come with the results i feel like you should also add magic to it .. especially for a person like ais who fights with magic all the time.

also i don't think anyone can argue magic won't make a difference in battles ..

but i guess you can reverse argue (i don't know if thats a thing i made that up .lol) like, say even without magic bete is on par with ais.

When someone has talked about stats alone they usually mean their prowess without abilities boosting them. And Ariel, as an enchantment, does that. It is not because of magic not making a difference.

And in this case Ariel does make a difference, as with it Ais is superior to the other Loki young executives and can stand up to even a bestified Bete using Hati.

>Oomori has never had a problem being direct when he makes statements.

never when it comes to ais against someone who is not above her level. the narrative even constantly states that she is one of the strongest, and Lefiya in SO3 says that her technique is better than Finn's. Of course, none of this is true, but Omori doesn't care because he has to advertise Ais because she's Bell's love interest.

>Status?

and it's not just a minor advantage. even if we compare the current status of ais and the completely zero lvl 6 Betе, he has an advantage in strength of 811 points, and an advantage in agility of 537. is it worth saying that this is a huge advantage?

>Experience?

Naturally, Bete has more experience. Ais didn't fight people as much as he

>Overall prowess?

naturally. how does Levis comment on encountering a level 5 ais comparing with Finn without taking any damage? "His strategy was completely different from Aiz's straightforward combat style, and it frustrated the red-haired woman to no end." before that ais was easily suppressed.

that's what the story says about Bete. so his combat is actually much better than ais:

"Along with power, the ash-colored werewolf was known for his speed and precision. Even among Loki Familia, he was considered the best at reading his opponents and retaliating against their next move before it could even happen. Each of the beasts seemed to be two or three seconds behind him as each attack was neutralized in quick succession."

then this is confirmed again, in the battle with Levis:

"Even with the assistance of Aiz’s Airiel, Bete was no match for Levis’s enhanced physical strength. All his skills and techniques combined weren’t enough to overcome her power. Ax kicks, sweeping kicks, reverse cyclone kicks—it didn’t matter. The red-haired woman simply dodged and blocked his wind-infused feet, spinning like a top.". it is Levis's physical abilities that are cited as the reason that Bete is unable to defeat her. this indicates quite clearly that Betе is easily superior to Levis in technique.

ais: "The techniques that she polished through countless hours of training and combat weren’t enough to match the woman’s skills."

another example, and again with Levis, the opponent they both fought, so it's easy to draw a parallel.

best ais damage:

"The woman’s remaining gauntlet became covered in several deep diagonal slashes, and strands of her red hair fell to the ground. Long red lines crisscrossed their way through the skin of both women.". and Levis didn't even show her best. almost a few paragraphs later, she easily bypasses Ais's defense and almost knocks her out with one punch.

best Bete damage:

"The werewolf’s onslaught tore her combat gear to shreds. One of her gauntlets went flying as the wound in her shoulder reopened, spraying blood as she spun.". although he fought against an opponent with a longsword, so it was much more difficult for him. you can say that ais also has a sword, but in experience Bete>Levis>Ais, so it will not be a problem for him to break through her defenses just like Levis herself did in SO2. it should be additionally noted that he once forced Levis to go into defense.

of course you can say that Betе had wind, but that doesn't matter since he originally fought a buffed Levis that turned dominance from basic ais into an equal fight with ais with wind, so her buff was actually at least equal to the full strength of Ariel. what happened to Bete? pathetic copy in boots. he did not even increase any physical qualities, he only had the properties of the wind itself, indirectly increasing his speed and allowing him to dodge mid-high lvl 6 attacks, being high lvl 5. that is, a level 5 Bete fought a much stronger Levis than the one that was fought by a level 5 Ais. now add to that a huge buff from Beastification, and then Hati's ability to devour ais wind for his own strengthening.

no matter how you look at it, ais simply has no chance. at best, she could fight the base Bete using her wind, but even that wouldn't ensure her victory. just based on the information we have

the narrative even constantly states that she is one of the strongest, and Lefiya in SO3 says that her technique is better than Finn's. Of course, none of this is true, but Omori doesn't care

While I'm critical of Omori's decisions on a lot of matters, if it is constantly stated that she is one of the strongest and that her techniques are better than Finn's, then she is one of the strongest and her techniques are better than Finn's.

Overall prowess?

We reach the same result in the end but what good does it serve to use the fight with Revis as a basis for the argument when we know Ais couldn't fight with all she had because she unconsciously restrained herself in front of humans or at least something she couldn't see as a monster?

If you take the very same opponent after Ais saw her as a monster then she completely overpower her with her skills and techniques, something the Bete you used as example couldn't do or at least he couldn't finish the job, Ais did and it was brutal.

I honestly don't think any side would have a major advantage over the other in a pure 1v1 with what we've seen, I would tend to agree with Rigel that Ais with Ariel could/can stand up to Bete with Hati and beastification. And if "Omori doesn't care" why bother thinking about that to begin with, Ais is going to be stronger and better anyways...

@MrSuntastic

ais only called one of the strongest its different from called the strongest.. when talking about ottar novel (author) always says he's the strongest/cities strongest/cities.. he's not called one of the strongest.

when talking about ais it's either one of the strongest or orario's strongest swordswomen.

what lefiya said was ais surpassed him in pure swordsmanship in a 1v1 dual. but if we look at finn vs revis finn finn used kicks and punches used even at some point he used another knife to injure revis ..

ais doesn't do any of that. it just that finn strategy is superior to ais same for riveria & gareth. same for experience trio far surpasses ais that regard as well.

I'm genuinely confused.

ais only called one of the strongest its different from called the strongest

"[...] then she is one of the strongest..."

ais doesn't do any of that. it just that finn strategy is superior to ais same for riveria & gareth. same for experience trio far surpasses ais that regard as well.

"[...] and her techniques are better than Finn's."

Of course the guys that have been adventuring for more than 15 years are going to be more experienced than Ais that only has 8 years of adventuring behind her right now.

If I remember correctly Finn has joined Loki 28 years or so before the start of the story, that's 20 years of experience more than Ais.

I'm really trying to see if I'm missing something but I'm unable to understand the point of your answer, half of it seems to be correcting something I didn't even say or questionned.

the narrative even constantly states that she is one of the strongest, and Lefiya in SO3 says that her technique is better than Finn's.

Yet the narration also notes the top executives as the actual best from the Loki Familia. And Lefiya's opinion is at the end her own.

is it worth saying that this is a huge advantage?

Is it worth saying again what does such difference being "big" would imply for Finn and Gareth in regards to speed? Yet they are roughly equal in said aspect.

that's what the story says about Bete. so his combat is actually much better than ais:

That Bete is the best at one aspect doesn't mean he is overall better. The LN says about Riveria: "She'd always had more skills and tact than anyone else", yet she admits she isn't as good of a fighter as Gareth.

it is Levis's physical abilities that are cited as the reason that Bete is unable to defeat her. this indicates quite clearly that Betе is easily superior to Levis in technique.

Not at all. Ottar's status is several times refered to as what gives him his superiority, yet we know he is also superior in terms of technique.

what happened to Bete? pathetic copy in boots.

Not a copy, the authentic thing. Only difference was that his usage was temporal, but never is it said or implied that it is weaker than when Ais uses it. Moreover, the wind was able to make Ais a pseudo Level 6 as noted in EF, so with it Bete would have also been a pseudo Level 6.

He stood his ground against Revis, but Ais did so as well. If he managed to do so for more, as much, or even just a bit less time than Ais in Rivira did then it may show some superirioty. But we don't know how long either fight lasted.

Does Bete has better fighting skills against people? Well, probably. Does his overall prowess is better? No, that clearly isn't the case.

You argue that Oomori is trying to oversell Ais. But tell me, if that was his goal then why did he make the first tweet to begin with? In it he outright states that even if she is superior Ais can still lose to her fellow Loki young executives. If he just wanted to make her look mighty then he could have let fans think she was massively superior to them.

A tweet from the author himself has as much value as any sentence from the LN, because ultimately he made both. So as much as you may hate it Oomori gave a final verdict. Ais is indeed fairly superior to Bete, and even with both Hati and bestification he is only "probably" stronger than her, not absolutely.

@MrSuntastic

pardon me i was only trying to add to your comments. wasn't in disagreement to your comment.