Alright thanks for answering, I was half expecting this to be honest it's not like we'll ever see Ikari do fair comparison when it comes to Ais anyways.

What would have been the estimated stat increase for Bell's unknown status update? I was thinking it would have been about several hundred but I'm not sure about this.

If there were any stat multiplier effect when leveling up then, it would be impossible for a lower level to defeat a higher level. Looking at the difference between stat powers between Bell and Hedin, you can notice that Hedin despite the 2 level gap, cannot defeat Bell in one hit, Hedin should have in strength about 500 or 650, even if Bell is superior in status with respect to strength, Hedin is superior in Agility and Dexterity, plus a lot of experience fighting against someone like Hogni who excels in physical strength, even Bell himself mentioned that his hands hurt when he faced Hogni the first time.

If there is any increase of power in the adventurer's stats by leveling up, it is not known exactly and it could not be a multiplier effect but an increase in points for example 100 in each stat skill.

Yes, Hedin's superior agility and dexterity stats, as well as combat experience is what bested Bell. However, if Bell's endurance gets high enough, which it should after leveling to 5, then he will be able to tank Hedin's CQC and sword blows, forcing Hedin to take him seriously which will escalate the fight. It seems that perhaps the biggest danger to Bell when facing Hedin is his magic.

Another thing to note is that Hedin would need to be getting somewhere between 700 to 800 in agility, magic and dexterity to be superior to Bell, which would bring all three stats for Hedin between 4500 to 5000 and perhaps even 5500, this is assuming he maximized his focused stats prior to past level ups. As for Bell, his endurance and agility should already be around 4500 with his other stats following close behind, and come next update and level up, Bell should have between 4500 to 4800 in each stat. This would make Bell more or less equal to Hedin.

There is also the possibility of a small training arc before the wargame which would boost Bell's stats even further.

@MrSuntastic Another major reason is that Ais doesn't seem to fair as well is she always holds back when fighting people, not just the skill gap. She did so against Revis, Phryne, even the Loki attack on her and Bell. The odds matter little, it just comes down to her psychology. Bete on the other hand doesn't really hold back and realistically he is probably the more skill fighter given how much better he is at reading his opponents, Ais is just much more powerful. That's the reason the they use her when they need something particularly tough flattened.

Going back the tweet Oomori didn't give the twins and Bete the same chance for reversing a battle against Ais. He gave Bete greater chance because of Hati, though Bete would still have to activate it against a very dangerous opponent.

>not like we'll ever see Ikari do fair comparison when it comes to Ais anyways.

which of these is dishonest? besides the fact that they both lasted against Levis for a while, there is also the fact of how much damage they did and how well they performed in the fight in general.

best ais damage: "The woman’s remaining gauntlet became covered in several deep diagonal slashes, and strands of her red hair fell to the ground. Long red lines crisscrossed their way through the skin of both women."

best damage to ais: "Even with the enchantment’s boost, the longsword was knocking Desperate off its path at incredible speed each time the two clashed. It even cut through Aiz’s protection, making several deep cuts across her body." and "Sidestepping Aiz’s overhead strike, she moved with enough speed and power to cut through the wind. An uppercut that started low and ended very high. The woman’s bare left hand traveled through the wind armor and buried itself deep into Aiz’s stomach, launching the girl’s thin body into the air." and etc

ais' best position in fight: "Even Airiel at full power wasn’t enough to gain the upper hand in this one-on-one duel. Aiz was able to keep her opponent from inflicting serious damage, but was still being overwhelmed. Her golden eyes were filled with surprise, but she didn’t consider looking away." (a few lines before that, Levis gave her some deep cuts, and a few lines after that, she just one-shotted her, so that's not even true.)

Levis ais' fought: base

best Bete damage: "The werewolf’s onslaught tore her combat gear to shreds. One of her gauntlets went flying as the wound in her shoulder reopened, spraying blood as she spun."

best damage to Bete: "A web of cracks raced through the metal boot from where the two weapons collided. The leg inside the boot snapped. Blood spewed into the air as skin and muscle tore asunder and bones splintered."

Bete's best position in fight: "He poured all he had into his kicks as his feet rode torrents of wind. Back on the defensive, Levis widened her eyes before flashing an irritated scowl. Adjusting her grip, she reared back with her crimson greatsword held high."

Levis Bete' fought: powered-up (comparable to Ariel)

result for giving damage: shoulder wound and torn combat gear > several cuts and a slashed glove - Bete wins

result for taking damage: both are completely disabled - draw

result for best position in fight: force Levis to go on the defensive > prevent Levis from seriously hurting herself (false) - Bete wins

result for Levis' conditions: Powered-up Levis > Base Levis - Bete wins

you can say that Bete had wind, but the Froswirts only copy the external properties of magic, so Bete didn't get any physical boost, he was only able to speed up a bit. Obviously, the difference between the enhanced Levis and the base Levis is greater than between the base Bete and the Bete with Ariel with boots. in simple terms, Ariel in boots just doesn't make up for the difference between the different versions of Levis that Bete and Ais fought. so even with Ariel in boots, Bete still fought a stronger opponent than ais and performed better. base. against ais with the wind. if you remove both Levis' power-up and Ariel in Betе's boots, then Levis will lose a lot more, so Bete will already be able to defeat her. and now remember what beatification and Hati give him.

If a level boosted Ryuu bullied Ais like you said then it's incredible that she put a fight against Vol 7 Revis lol

a fight in which Levis was not even serious, and as a result of which Ais did not even have the strength to stand on her feet.

Dishonest? All of it if you don't take and put it into full context and just jerry pick. Maybe not intentional but it is still there.

Frankly, you seem to "have the answer" and are looking to find the facts to prove it rather than looking at the context, narrative, and details to find the answer.

@IkariSon

You are deliberately ignoring that it was already explained to you that Ais had a psychological barrier that prevented her from fighting with her full power and prowess against non-monster opponents. This problem was addressed during her training with Ottar, he asked her if she had perceived Revis as a person and told her that when she perceived her opponent as a person she had no chance of winning, that's why his help was essential for Ais to overcome this problem.

So, I wasn't ignoring your argument about the early combats between Ais and Revis and Bete and Revis, but I assumed that it was known by all Sword Oratoria readers that Ais's poor performance was due to this problem, so, Ais's first loss isn't very significant.

So what does it matter that Ais lost the first battle if once she got over her mental problem with Ottar's help, she was able to fight Revis by chasing her like a monster and overwhelmed her during the fight?

You said that when Ais uses tempest-Avenger she doesn't reach a pseudo level 8, so according to your own arguments, Ais overwhelmed Revis in a fair fight, because it was a level 7 vs. level 7 combat, therefore Ais's superiority could only due to her superior combat prowess.

Of all the battles between Ais and Revis, you only take into account the first one, because it is the one in which Ais was worst, so it is the only one that helps you argue against Ais, but you ignore the last one, which is actually the most important because it is in which there is no doubt that Ais is definitely better than Revis, and you cannot say that she won because of Avenger because as we already clarified, they had the same resulting status and also Ais deactivated it before finishing the battle because she heard Bell's bell.

On the other hand, Bete fell in love with Ais because he recognized that she was stronger than him, whose swordsmanship far surpassed Bete (SO8), and no, this perception is not due to Avenger, this is a skill that the leaders of the Loki family have forbidden her to use it and she uses it very rarely. In fact, there is an SS where Loki tells that the first time Bete saw Ais's prowess he fell in love with her, and at that moment she wasn't using Avenger, I know because the monsters didn't explode on contact with Ais' sword, which is what happens when she uses it.

Now, use common sense, Ais is the co-star of the franchise and is the love interest of the main protagonist, considering these facts, do you think it is reasonable to assume that the author would design her as a mediocre character as you like to propose? Also, if she was mediocre, do you think the main character would have needed to develop the most powerful skill known to be worthy of her? it is a simple matter of logic.

Finally, you are right in one approach, Bete, Tiona and Tione are better duelists than Ais, that is no secret, since the author said that Ais is not very good in this type of combat, however, she is much more powerful than them thanks to Ariel, due to this one she was able to defeat Udaeus (the only known case of a character defeating in single combat another with a higher level than the victor, without any advantage) and even more if you consider the "white wind" with which she was able to defeat Revis (level 7). For these reasons, in a single combat between one of them against Ais, they would be on the losing side, it is consistent and also Omori's tweet makes it very clear.