@Kisaki Tosane

Would you send it to me as well so I can take a look at it?

however it came with a bad side effect that it lowered Alfia's actual status ever time that she used it

Why didn't Oomori just introduce a lower level member of the Zeus/Hera Familia instead of making excuses to nerf Zald/Alfia?

@Kisaki Tosane

So Limit Off does affect stats as well?

@Angelo Gabrini

You must be more analytical when you want to reject an argument, not make simple opinion judgments that only expose your point of view.

There is a provable fact that fighting someone much stronger is the best way to get a huge amount of Excelia quickly, regardless of whether the strongest is holding back. During the "fights" between: Bell vs. Ais, Bell vs. Ais and Tiona, Bell vs. Hedin, Hogni and the Gulliver Brothers, and Ais vs. Ottar, the weaker ones got a huge amount of excelia in just one week, enough for Bell to got 500 points per stat on average and Ais 50 points per stat, therefore the amount of excelia gained depends on the effort put in from the perspective of the weakest, if it was too much this will manifest in the excelia gained regardless of whether the strongest was holding back and it was a minimal effort for him.

You say that if the strongest let you live then you didn't achieve or surpass anything, however, Zard defeated Ottar and Alfia defeated Riveria and Gareth both in one hit, so it's totally clear that Alfia and Zard could kill their opponents easily, but they wanted to strengthen them, so if your idea were true and it's useless to fight someone who will have to let you live, tell me, what did Alfia and Zard go to Orario for?

An analogy for this would be if you have to pass a math test, and it takes a whole week of study to achieve it, a great challenge, and you meet this goal due to remarkable effort, but then your father tells you that your achievement is insignificant because your teacher could have evaluated you with a much more difficult test, of a much higher level of knowledge than you must have...

In the case of the Astraea family, Alfia gave them a challenge that was too difficult for a level 3 and since they managed to fulfill it, they were able to level up (seriously hurt her). It doesn't matter that Alfia could give quite a difficult challenge for a level 6, to level up you need to perform a great feat according to your own level, as I explained, it doesn't matter that the challenger can pose challenges of a much higher level than that the executor has since excelia is obtained from the perspective of the weakest.

agreed, besides that Zard can easily beat Ottar. Ottar was actually able to defeat him as he himself had a level 7 status and a strong ultimate attack. magic is constantly mentioned as a way to defeat someone stronger, so it's not surprising.

@Rigel31415 I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly. Limit Off is just something that allows an adventurer to perform an attack with the capability of wielding the power of an attack from an adventurer several levels beyond their own level.

The side-effect Alfia had in order to use Limit Off attacks freely wasn't a side-effect of Limit Off itself, it was a side-effect of the skill that allowed her to perform Limit Off attacks. Otherwise Bell would be negatively affected by Limit Off every time he used it as well. Alfia could use it basically whenever she wanted to while Bell has a more limited access to it. That's why Alfia's skill came with a "trade" or "exchange" in the form of a negative side-effect while Bell's skill was lucky enough not to have that.

I know that Limit Off doesn't carry a bad side-effect by itself. It is just that as far as I remember it had never been explained exactly how does it work. Previously an explanation was only given in DM5, and it only said that it increased Argonaut's power, nothing more.

So I wanted to know what did the volume said so as to put that in the description in the Terminology page. What thing or things does it strengthen. If it just says "attacks" then I am gonna put just that.

in volume 5, it was said that it increases precisely the power of the Skills. you think it was only the Argonaut because it was Bell's only combat skill at the time. although this description only makes sense if some of the unknown skills give Alfia a buff.

I forget the exact wording AR3 mentioned when it was describing limit-off in regards to Alfia, but just labeling it as 'attacks' would probably be the most accurate since the form of attack doesn't really matter limit off just strengthens whatever its users is doing.

@Leinad91

Based on your reply you're literally claiming things that I never said which you also did the last time you replied to me on the other thread. Nowhere did I claim that "people don't get excelia fighting stronger opponents", neither did I claim "it's useless to fight someone who will have to let you live". Fighting someone that defeats you once is literally a shounen trope

If you could take the easy way out with levelling then why aren't there more higher level adventurers? "Seriously injuring Alfia" isn't much of a feat anyway when she's been nerfed hard, it'd be similar to the Hestia Familia getting less excelia using Uchide no Kozuchi

If her power had been deranked to around Level 4 tier, not sure how it can fuel 11 ;Level 3s people's worth of rank ups. It said fighting in a group splits excelia. By that standard, no one should've been able to rank up no?