@IkariSon

"does it matter? it's still a skill she didn't deserve. we have many peoples with a fate more tragic than hers, but none of them got the Avenger."

Wtf?

do you disagree?

>The guy ranked Ryuu higher than Bete, it's not even worth to mention.

post is clearly said that Bete without moon and Hati while Ryuu haven't such troubles

Personally yes, I disagree.

why

@Noon123 There was also someone on Reddit who claimed that Ais was capable of using Tempest-Avenger on people by presenting them as monsters. And this is only a small part of what is claimed there.

So you were offended by a list made by an ordinary person on the wiki? The person didn't add Ais to the list and you immediately started writing that she's weak, but just because she's not in the top 10 doesn't make her weak.

So what's wrong with that? He was factoring in Bete without Moon and Hati.

@Hognithebest "There was also someone on Reddit who claimed that Ais was capable of using Tempest-Avenger on people by presenting them as monsters."

Due to Revis fight. I personally don't think not. I mostly see the people who says Ais is weak and refuses what author stated. Tbh that guy made many fake account to show his idea is correct so...

"So you were offended by a list made by an ordinary person on the wiki?"

Didn't bother reading what I said? Not even official and his opinion. Literally placed Bell in top 10. Wrote this exactly "it's not even worth to mention."

"The person didn't add Ais to the list and you immediately started writing that she's weak, but just because she's not in the top 10 doesn't make her weak."

There was another guy (otaku name) made a comment about Ais not being in the list and being downplayed. I wrote it to him. Seems like his post is deleted.

"So what's wrong with that? He was factoring in Bete without Moon and Hati."

Based on vol 18 spoilers, Bete is still superior.

base Bete haven't any sense of be stronger than Ryuu

@Stracher12

among which there was not a single first-class, Hogni instantly got rid of one of the level 5 spirit warriors.

You completely missed the point. Valletta saw Finn while he fought.

Let's use examples. Say Person A has been shown to run at an average speed of 25 km/h, but he has always competed with people who at most run at 10 km/h. Then there is Person B, who has outpaced people who run at 15 km/h, since he runs at an average of 18 km/h.

Would you say that Person B is faster? Of course not, because even if the opponents of Person B have been better it doesn't change the fact that Person A is superior.

Valleta saw the speed at which Finn ran while eliminating Evilus' forces. Same goes for strength, she saw how hard his attacks were.

Hogni defeated Level 5s, true, but he never showed even once a Level 6's prowess while doing so. Finn may have defeated only fodder, but he demonstrated a Level 6's prowess while doing so. What matters isn't truly who they defeated, but the extent of their abilities they demonstrated while doing so.

She could have killed Gareth when she switched to speed but was thwarted, they literally override each other's weaknesses with teamwork.

She already had shown herself able to easily surpass Finn in speed, so her being able to use her speed to kill Gareth doesn't show him as significantly slower than Finn at all.

And again, te LN shows them moving at roughly the same pace:

Even though she was a mage, Riveria was keeping up in speed and working in perfect unison with the prum and dwarf in close-range combat.

Are you saying that the gap between Asterius and Loki's new elite will be the same as the one between Hogni and Finn and Hell finagas??

Of course not. I clearly brought up that fight just as an example of how physical prowess can overpower technique.

You should reconsider your blog, Kisaki literally retracted his words and said there is a line confirming that Hogni fought two.

Yeah, but even then no one came to agree with Ikari. If with said mistakes corrected the evidence suggested that he was right why did no one agreed with him?

in that case Hogni superior in technique easily handle Finn 7

Being able to see a body move at a certain speed doesn't mean being able to move at said speed.

You have no problems following a car's movements even when they go at high speeds, but I assure you that you could never keep up in a fight with someone who moved to attack, defend and evade at 240 km/h.

@Noon123 So? As if that changes anything. Ais still can't use Tempest-Avenger on people. No one is saying that Ais is weak. She's weak relative to a dozen of the strongest adventurers, which makes sense. Just today they posted an excerpt from 18 volume stating that Hogni is the best swordsman among 6 level adventurers and immediately Aisfan came along and started saying that her skills are superior to Hogni's.

That's exactly what I was going to say. You literally write about Ais' weakness where it doesn't exist and start making stuff up. Again, just because a character isn't in the top 10 doesn't mean he's weak.

Did you agree with his opinion or what? I don't see any reason why Ais should be in the top 10.

He has nothing to block Ryu's magic with.