Assuming Omori writes something "consistent", what will Ottar and the others face in the next volumes?
Assuming Omori writes something "consistent", what will Ottar and the others face in the next volumes?
I think Hedin will be more useful than Allen. He can buff Bell tho
True. I had forgotten about that part. But Allen has his magic so it's still debatable
At the beginning of the series, a great feat had to be performed that would impress the gods to level up, this is how: Bell, Ais, Tiona, Tione and Bete leveled up, however that has already been reconfigured, at this moment there are others methods to level up whose dynamics are not very clear and obey more to plot convenience than to any strict logic.
I speak of course of Loki levels 7; As for Gareth, there is no problem, Omori had already said that since his victory against Gugalanna in SO7, he should have leveled up but he didn't by plot; This is the case of the other 2 where there are serious doubts about it.
As we learned, they 3 leveled up due to their victory against the demi-spirits in SO12, both in the novel and in the Dandemo event they did not give the impression of being such tough opponents that defeating them is a feat worthy of going up to level 7 , they defeated them with relative ease, but let's assume that they were actually very powerful and that's why Riveria leveled up by defeating him, but if so, why didn't Hogni and Hedin who fought alongside her level up as well?
As for Finn, he didn't even win the battle, he left it in Allen's hands and left, why then level 7 was for Finn and not Allen?
It was all for plot convenience, SO12 was before DM18, if the Freya family had 3 or 4 level 7, how could the Hestia family and their weak allies win the war game? Those level 7s would have been a problem, for that reason Freya's trio did not level up. Instead, the Loki family is going to venture into uncharted territory beyond the 60th floor and that requires levels 7, which is why Loki's trio leveled up.
What I mean by this is that leveling up is no longer dependent on characters performing some great feat but on when Omori decides they should, whether or not they have the required feats. In that sense, he could level up Ottar or Hedin due to the war game if he thinks it's time for them to do so.
I personally prefer ex-Freya executives to level up through some great feat that leaves no doubt as to why they leveled up but that is due to my natural aversion to plot convenience which Omori loves.
What could that great feat be? The truth is that I can't think of anything, they don't have any opponent to defeat, I don't think they're going to go deeper than the 60th floor because as I already said, if they didn't when they were in the same family, let alone now that they're no longer linked. Maybe if new super powerful antagonists appear they could do it, the Freya family progresses in that type of conflict, as they did against Evilus, but they have never been good at progressing in the dungeon, for that reason the Loki family has had much better progress than them in these last 7 years.
This really seems like such a complicated discussion for an easy answer. It isn't rocket science. They can level up from the floors beyong the 60th. They didn't get along with each other, true. They didn't get along with others either, true. But they could behave when they wanted to.
If Freya orders them to work alongside others to clear the dungeon they would do. Hell, she even directly offered that to Ouranos. During the Dark Period they actually focused on fighting their enemies instead of between themselves. If they get the sense that times are desperate (Erebus' "Promised Time", to name an example) they could be incited to work together.
It wouldn't be with a good mood, and maybe even reluctantly, but they could do it. Now, the only question is if Oomori is going to go for that option.
Hades010101 asked about what the former Freya executives will face to level up, so I wanted to clarify that things are no longer like at the beginning where a super victory like Ais's against Udaeus was necessary to level up, in this moment, it is enough for adventurers to participate well in a great adventure to level up, see Liliruca and Finn.
I made this clarification because Hades010101 suggests that the leveling of the former executives will be through a great battle (he proposed to Asterius) so I thought it appropriate to clarify that it is perfectly plausible that they level up without a great feat, in a personal capacity.
Regarding them exploring beyond the 60s floors, I have always believed that they will have to get to the bottom of the dungeon so obviously they will have to participate, but I don't think they deliberately choose to collaborate with the Loki family, it is my speculation but I think that Bell will have to be the mediator and that would be when he has the capacity and the urgent need to go beyond the 60th floor, which according to his status it won't take too long, I think it will be when he is level 6.
The feat doesn't have to be one and great. It is much more common for there to be several mini-feats in a row. I mean, that's exactly how Bell became level 4 without defeating anyone at level 3.
Aisha and Dix?
I mean, Bell had multiple impressive feats at every level. What matters is that he was always facing worthy opponents every step of the way. There's fewer and fewer worthy opponents the higher you go.
Like I mentioned in another thread, levels up are also used in the story to represent a growth in the character not just physically, but emotionally. They either overcome a great feat while staying true to themselves, or grow by adopting a new change in perspective.
We see Hedin Vol. 16-18 going from his self-indulgent beliefs on what is best for Freya and forcing someone like Bell to succumb to his line of thinking, to ultimately betraying his own Familia because he realizes that Bell understands "the real Freya" more and that they need to let her go. Probably not indicating an immediate level up, but wouldn't be surprised if he becomes Level 7 by the end after some kind of event. Could also easily see Hogni, the Gullivers, and Allen doing it too, but that would also depend on what they end up doing as characters in any upcoming books. Ottar they've already said is basically a Level 8 so that's guaranteed.
The wargame was essentially a "stunt" to satisfy the public as a result of Freya's actions.
That being said, the Freya familia will operate from the shadows until such a given time comes for them to reveal themselves, and yes, this also includes level-ups. Ottal, Allen, Hedin and Hogni are very close to leveling up even now.
Royman bargained with Finn in regard to important information about the Dungeon in order to keep the Loki familia out of the wargame, he briefly told Finn that no one can leave the city, this includes the Freya familia, and of course the threat of the OEBD being the most obvious reason as to why.
Freya told Ouranos to stay out of her way and promised to aid him in the fight against the Black Dragon, which of course he held up his end of the deal. Bell promised to look after Freya with the conclusion of the wargame.
Basically, Bell, Freya, Royman and Ouranos' actions have resulted in the Freya familia's current predicament.
It is enough to see the statuses of Ottar, Hedin and Hogni to know that they are very close to leveling up, but what Hades010101 asked was not if they would level up but how. There really aren't many options, Ottar could level up if he faces Balor again but this time he wins, however for the others I can't think of anything, at least in the current scenario they don't have any reasonable means to achieve it, they need to Omori expands his universe in a way that allows good adventures for first-class adventurers.
However, we have seen that the current conditions for leveling up have become much more flexible compared to the beginning of the series, Omori has leveled up some characters merely by decree, such as: Liriruca, Finn and Ryuu, so the same thing could do with the executives of Freya, leveling them up without a great development that justifies their leveling.
With Omori you never know, but for personal taste I would like to see a great adventure that leaves no doubt as to why they leveled.
What do you think?