You know that the times they decided the vice-captain happened after Hogni got the Falna? That basically means whatever he got from it till that point on wasn't enough to be considered stronger by Hedin, even worse this election happened when Anya was still an active member meaning Allen magic hasn't awaken yet.

At the end of the days, the judgement was left to Hedin, no less, no more.

Good summary of Hogni's condition but you forget that Hogni wasn't alonein this fight he has the support of the level boosted Anya who was a source of exploitable internal turmoy on Allen. & Honestly it's was more epic to see Hogni voicing his own feeling trying to fix their family while battling his own self esteem issue.

Yep but there is a foundamental difference between them, Ottar is a boar who fight, Bell is a rabbit who run away it give the principal idea, you don't ask why a boxer who has approximatly the same speed as Usain Bolt can't catch him during a marraton when he can effortless punch him on the ring, their technics respective are base on different principel. You misunderstand something at that point of the fight Bell was actually trying to land a blow on Ottar not running away which mean he needed to stay close enough to act before Ottar rebuild his absolute defense.

I have no more to said, maybe there were better way to explain it but I think I've cover all the points.

@Pluton9 I would advise stop arguing with that guy about Hogni. You are just wasting your time.

I think we have already said that it was not a question of combat strength, but moral and fortitude. Hogni is extremely weak in this regard, it makes perfect sense to give the post to Allen, who is trying his best to protect his sister.

Anya didn't really help much in the battle, Hogni saved her most of the time by blocking Allen's spear over and over again. And actually, Anya was shaken there the most & she lacked synch, which is also a minus. At one point, Hogni could have hurt Allen badly with his magic, but he didn't (Allen barely dodged, but wouldn't have been able to if Hogni had also started to shorten his distance with him). In general his condition was so terrible that even with the support in the form of Anya, they still should have lost to Allen even when he didn't use his magic, but he kept holding on.

But I repeat, what makes you think they are equal? Bell was running away, but later turned around and ran straight at Ottar, if he had the opportunity to charge the argonaut further he would have taken it, but since he didn't, it was most likely because Ottar was catching up to him. And Ottar's absolute defense in that case wouldn't have been able to withstand the force of a full Argonaut (unless he was using his own magic).

@Pluton9

Van could occupy a place in that ranking, he could even be second after Ryuu and that would not solve Anya's problem. You say that she does not count because she left the Freya family and because retirement weakened her, well, we already clarified that retirement did not weaken her and she is still in great shape and although she is not an active member, all her combat skills were learned in Folkvangr, following the doctrine of the Einherjar. She would be like a graduate of a university that is no longer linked to the institution but learned everything they teach there.

So, Anya, a member of the Freya family by training although not by membership (which does not matter for this debate) is not the strongest of her level, which proves that Freya's adventurers are not necessarily stronger than anyone of other family.

Van's statement would serve to say that some members are stronger than their counterparts from other families, and from what was seen in the war game it is quite reasonable to say that most of its members are stronger than those of other families, as indicated in MS17 - 18 and in the episode Freya. But, it is also demonstrated that it is not a universal rule that applies to all cases.

All this started because your original comment was: "It's clear that whatever are Loki Familia adventurer norme for combat ability by level it's far inferior the norme of Freya Familia adventurer", arguing that in the mentioned volumes it was said that any member of another family (Loki included) would be inferior to them. A generalization that at least regarding the Loki trio there is no evidence that it applies.

I don't understand why you think that Tsubaki's defeat at the hands of Hogni proves that Freya is superior, Hogni has more level, experience and is a pure warrior, Tsubaki, although she knows how to fight, is still a professional blacksmith. Hogni's victory is the most natural result but that doesn't prove that if he faces another level 6 who is also a pure warrior he will win.

You are right in one thing and that is that the Loki trio has lacked worthy opponents that allow them to demonstrate their ability as warriors, unfortunate for not having antagonists available to use in the plots. But Omori's position has been ambiguous in this regard, deliberately avoiding any precision between who is better than who among the elites of Orario.

You also didn't answer the question of Aisha, we saw how Ottar was defeated by 3~4 who were one level below him, being him better than all of them, therefore, even if Aisha was level 5, 2 or 3 level 4 of Freya should be able to defeat her, especially if they are better than her, why didn't that happen? To me personally it seems clear that it was because she is better than them.

I remind you that the Einherjar have no problem attacking several of them to the same opponent, even if they do it in a disorganized manner, as they did against Ryuu.

I speak of partial victory because Aisha landed a blow that left him momentarily knocked out. It is not a great excuse to say that it was because he was "disturbed." Maintaining concentration is an indispensable virtue for a warrior who prides himself on being "better than anyone else." And no, Alfrigg was not weakened. In the whole battle, the only blow they had been able to give him was the explosion of the magic sword that sent him flying, which is not much. Don't take away Aisha's merit!

Then when he got up and Aisha, Lunor and Chloe (3 level 5, not 4 as you said) couldn't defeat him it was a plot armor, if he had such power why didn't he use it from the beginning and finish them off to avoid complications? Inexplicably he became much more powerful than moments before, as if he had become a super saiyan XD! Maybe he has an ability that makes him stronger when his 3 brothers have fallen but that's speculation.

On the other hand, you oppose the idea that Bell's power now remains at its real level, it would certainly be conflicting if Aki was as powerful as him as soon as they both reached level 5, but for Bell to be stronger than her he doesn't necessarily have to be a level 6, it would be enough to be the strongest at his level but staying at this one, there's no need to overstate things for that effect.

So that's why you insisted that Van has an ability that raises him to level 5, I didn't understand why, I was about to think that you were a radical fanatic of Freya. I honestly don't see it as that complicated, Bell stopped using Ais's teachings because he doubted that they were real and when he verified that they were, he became much more powerful to the point of managing to hit Hedin, something he hadn't been able to do until that moment. It's a simple symbolism that Ais' love strengthens him, something simpler and easier to fit into the plot than the fact that Van has an ability worthy of the captain of his family being a simple middle manager.

@Leinad91

Did you know that fighting is related to physical activity while school is related to the mind ? Physically things have a bad tendency to dull over time when they are not maintained properly, even if you keep your technique, it is natural that there is a difference between constant training and occasional training. Beside Hedin & even Ottar confirmed Mia wasn't at her best so don't know why you think Anya is in better shap than her ? If anything Anya shap is better she is the only waitress who occasionally partake in Ryu training being decribed as being to competive.

Have you at least asked yourself where did you rank Anya in all of that ? Because neither Chloe nor Lunoir were pushed over during their fight against Ryuu & Anya wasn't any worse against Chloe while having being exposed at the same sleep drug as Ryuu.

I don't remember having called this rule universal, not it change My statement considering Loki Familia in general, it just don'tt change the fact they specialise in team fight while Freya is duel give a resonnable explaination while at the same level they would be better in a 1 vs 1 situation when they can't relied on no one else but themself especially for the Loki Trio who are now level 7 so they have to be compared to Ottar. Strangelly I though Riveria declaration would be counted as an evidence ?

Didn't you said yourself Tsubaki wasn't worst than Loki exective (the trio is probably exluded) during the 59th Floor expedition ? You also said she beat Phryne who for all I know is a dediacted warrior. So while Level boosted she is better than high level 6 Phryne who is a warrior, do we agree ?

Because you call that a defeated ? Bell was exhausted Mia & Ryuu are out off fight while Hedin got is 1st mind own in years meanwhile Ottar bend a knee & accepted to take a 5 minutes rest so Bell save Freya, I don't call that a defeat & neither the narration of the MS 18 SS focusing on Ottar did, at best you can all it a draw & this would still be doubtful because Ottar was restain by Freya's directives.

At this point, any moment a villain knocks the hero on the ground for 30 seconds would also be considered a partial victory, even when the hero gets up with renewed resolve, strength, courage & ended up defeating the villain. What do you want me to say ? They are still people not freaking robot it's only natural a big brother like Alfrigg is disturbed when his younger brothers are take down, Ais wasn't in any better mental shap when Revis come claiming to have defeated Finn & throwed the broke piece of his spear as prove in SO 6. I am pretty sure all the gulliver were still under the effect on Anya magic so Alfrigg was effectivly in a weakened stat.

Omori's tweet just included random level 4s, or probably just the most popular ones (except unexpectedly for all Falgar). To say that this represents the actual power distribution between all level 4s in Orario is to believe that Raul would be stronger than any level 4 from FF, Bell, Chloe, and Lunoire, which is not the conclusion of a mentally healthy person. I don't even see how that can be an argument.

@AlfiaTheNoise

How would you know that the tweet only included "random" level 4s or only the most "popular" ones? Who are you to speak for Omori? maybe are you part of his executive staff?

That he didn't include characters like Van because they hadn't debuted is a valid argument, but only half-baked, because it's Omori who has to clarify that he didn't include them, not you.

Even assuming that he only took into account those who had already debuted, you still say that it's false because the characters that you think should be included aren't. So Omori needs your permission to say that Raul surpasses Chloe and Lunor!

As for popularity, didn't you see the DanMemo events and now the Danchro ones? Waitresses appear very frequently in them as relevant characters, especially in the latter's events. So no, their exclusion from the ranking is not due to them being "unpopular" characters.

What I see is a toxic fan who didn't like the ranking because it's not how he wanted it to be and he believes that his word weighs more than the author's, he even speaks on his behalf imposing clauses that according to him, were the ones that Omori used for that effect.

In one thing you are right, I wasn't a mentally healthy person when I felt sorry that you were banned from this wiki and I had even less mental health when I interceded for you with the administrators so that they would be more lenient with you. Because yes, I know perfectly well who you are!

@Pluton9

You're applying a real-life rule to an anime, yes, in real life retirement deteriorates abilities but does that mean that in the Danmachi universe it's also like that? The evidence clearly doesn't suggest that's the case. Let's analyze what Ottar said to Mia:

"–Mia, you've weakened.

–...!

–You've stagnated, and I've moved forward. Maybe that's all there is to it. But even so… right now, I'm above, and you're below.

Lv. 7 and Lv. 6.

Even in a simple comparison, it was clear that Ottar was superior. If anything, Mia was the odd one for challenging him while ignoring that absolute Level difference.

But even considering that, Ottar was saying that she had weakened. As if betraying his persistent attachment to the wall that had once been in front of him, as if he had wished for someone stronger than himself."

Ottar does not say at any point that Mia is weaker than before, he says that she is weaker compared to him, since now he is stronger than her; He literally tells her that she has stagnated while he has moved forward. Stagnation means to remain the same, neither weaker nor stronger.

Ottar mentions Mia's "weakness" due to his disappointment at having overcome the wall that once stood before him, as he wished there was still someone stronger than him. In short, it is a comparison between the two of them, not between the current version of Mia and the one from before.

Regarding Mia's power as such, it is of particular interest the statement that highlights how "strange" she is to be able to challenge him ignoring the absolute difference in level, she was able to fight him in single combat, how many characters have been able to sustain a hand-to-hand combat against someone with a higher level and have come out well from the duel? Compare her performance with that of Ryuu vs Ais that only lasted 3 minutes and Ais defeated her with a single blow, or compare it with the fight between Freya's executives against Ottar in the episode Freya where there were 6 against Ottar and they did not fare better than Mia alone.

So has Mia really become weaker from retirement? If you still think so, please provide evidence to prove it, but don't justify it by assuming that something from real life applies in an anime.

Regarding Anya, Omori has always referred to her skills in glowing terms, you yourself point out that Chloe, who was in top form at the time, couldn't defeat her and Anya had already been retired for at least 4 years in that battle. There's also the fact that I already mentioned that despite her 10 years of retirement she could still defeat a lot of level 3 berberas of the Ishtar family, and in volume 14, when the maids went with Tsubaki to rescue Ryuu, Omori said that this group was so powerful that it was very close to being first class. As you can see, praise and more praise and not a single reference that indicates that she has weakened due to her retirement.

If you are going to justify that Chloe and Lunor should be very high in that ranking because Ryuu could not defeat them easily, well it is a valid argument but that coin has another side, in volume 16 the 4 waitresses faced the Einherjar and they did not defeat them, they could not even hurt them and it was a battle long enough for Bell to flee with Syr and lost the trail of their pursuers, something quite delayed because they had to swim to land, drain off the water and walk calmly across the heroes' bridge. Curious result if the Einherjar are stronger than anyone with the same level and the waitresses are in poor shape due to their retirement, don't you think? And you can't say that among the waitresses there is expert teamwork with which they compensated for their inferiority for obvious reasons.

That Ryuu didn't easily defeat them isn't proof that they occupy the podium among the level 4s, Omori very rarely ends fights, he never allows any of the battles between the Loki and Freya families to end for example, just like he didn't allow the battle between Tione and Argana to end, so the fights between Ryuu and Lunor/Chloe not ending is just a typical Omori pattern of behavior, not an indicator of absolute power. If we're going to use this reasoning as proof then Bete would be on the podium of the tier 6's because Allen didn't defeat him.

Your argument is strange, you say that Anya has been weakened by her retirement but you also suggest that she should be ranked because she was on par with Ryuu, so in the end do you think she has been weakened by retirement (in which case show the evidence) or hasn't she been and is still in great shape as I suggest based on her excellent performance and the praise that Omori always gives her?

Answering your question directly, yes, I have wondered where Anya, Lunor and Chloe should be in that ranking; I don't see a problem with Chloe and Anya being below Raul, especially Chloe who fights mainly with poisons and sneak attacks not through combat skill. Given that, at the end of the day, Raul is worthy of Anakitty who was ranked as one of the best level 4.

Where I do see problems is with Lunor, she defeated Grer in fair combat, besides Aisha I have serious doubts that the others in the ranking can do the same, perhaps she should occupy a place in that ranking. But let's keep in mind that it was made in 2020, it wouldn't be the first time that a character becomes more powerful than what was originally constituted, like Ottar who in SO4 couldn't defeat Loki's executives and then it turns out that at least 3 level 7s are needed to defeat him.

However, regarding the topic at hand, it doesn't matter if Lunor should be on the podium or not, since she is not of the Freya family. The one who should be there is Anya and she has not shown anything concrete that puts her there, and as I explained at length, your argument of weakness by retirement is not valid unless you can prove it with evidence from the novel itself or the author.

You didn't expressly say that the rule was universal but you did say that Freya's members were stronger than those of any other family including Loki's and you didn't make or accept any exceptions, that's another way of saying that it's a universal rule.

You argue that the Freya family's specialization makes them better at dueling than the others, well in most cases yes, but from level 4 onwards I see uncertainties in this regard, as in the case of Anya as we have talked so much about and regarding Van, I also don't see it so clear if he should occupy a prominent position in that ranking, logically he must be weaker than Anakitty, he is over 30 years old and is still at level 4 and Aki at 21 is already level 5, there must be a reason! and keep in mind that Aki is almost the last in the ranking!!!

I'm not comparing the Loki trio with Ottar because that statement was made when they were level 6 as you well know, be fair! As for Riveria, yes, she is inferior in combat to Freya's level 6s, but when it was said in Astrea Record that Finn was superior to them only being inferior to Ottar you rejected it, you said that it is only Valleta's subjective opinion so it does not prove anything, as if she being the commander in chief of Evilus did not know her enemies! You accept statements when they are in favor of Freya but not when they are against, questionable attitude I would say.

Regarding Tsubaki, no, I did not say that she was better than the other Loki executives, there must be a reason why the other 3 level 5s rose to level 6 due to that expedition and she did not. Yes I said Tsubaki is stronger than Phryne but this one is very inferior to Loki's executives, don't you remember that she couldn't beat Ais without wind and then Bete defeated her in 1 second, so being stronger than her doesn't prove that Tsubaki is at the level of Loki's or Freya's elite, man she is a blacksmith by vocation, why would she be better than genius warriors by profession?

I consider it a victory over Ottar because he didn't die due to Bell's compassion, if the last blow hadn't been a fist but a stab in the neck with Hakugen, he would have died, but anyway, both sides were restricted to not killing so it wouldn't be a real battle for either side, although there is the doubt of whether Ottar really held back in all phases of the battle because his blow with Hildis Vini could well have been fatal.

Losing your composure because of a brother-in-arms' defeat is a symptom of inexperience, especially if it's going to lead to your own defeat. Ais getting upset over Finn's defeat is acceptable, she's still a child and doesn't boast about being better than anyone else; on the other hand, Alfrigg making that rookie mistake raises serious doubts about whether he's actually better than any other level 5 as is is presumed.

I name it a partial victory because Aisha defeated him until Omori used the plot armor, Alfrigg didn't get up with "renewed determination, strength and courage", he got up with a convenient boost. When they were fighting 4 vs 4, the Bringar weren't able to defeat them, but then when they were fighting 1 vs 4, that 1 was so strong that he could take on all 4 at once, if he were so strong why didn't he use that power when they were fighting in groups? the Bringar would have won immediately. In short, I name it a partial victory because while Omori didn't use the power of the script, the girls won.

Member it wasn't just Ottar was said that about Mia, Hedin & if Mia use the empty periode excuse that still technically count as a form an admission that presently she isn't at her best.

What do you want me to say? We already saw the result in the fight against Bringar, Anya was the only one still able to fight during this time Chloe and Lunor were KO, this is enough to demonstrate that she is the strongest of their group after Ryuu

You forget that we haven't see the result of that battle on the boat & also they have fighting on their side the Level 6 Ais.

Are you trying to implied Raul would have been able to put a similar fight against Ryuu or last longer than Chloe or Lunar ? Have forget Bete was beastified ? I hope I doesn't need to explain why a Psudo level 7 not instant defeat a Level 6 is a testamet of that Level 6 strengh again !

Your reasoning is equaly strange, your are assuming because she can keep a high degre of performance mean she hasn't weakened by any mean compared to when she was full time exercising. The bare minimum if you want to affirm that is to compare the current Anya with her Folkvangr self.

Putting below a 2nd rate fighter like Raul doesn't fit their backstory of self surviving or defeating opponent of higer level than herself when Raul failed to do the same with Valetta

We aren't discussing about possible retcon, especially not when it's a character (Ottar) statement & not the narration everyone can lied to avoid making a situation more troublesome.

At no point I said there were no exception, to be more precis is just doesn't aborded the subject & avoid making those kind statement for the simple reason we have Bell literally winning the 1st of Baptism which by himself make him an exception.

Once again we are talking ofcomabt strengh at a certain level not character progession & following you little classement at level

Raul <Aki < Aisha/Falgar < I0 stat Bell < Ryuu

If Van has managed to secure at least a victory against Bell you can't make him below than Aki when she is already below Aisha & Falgar, especially we can't even said if she could win against Asfi with her magic item.

I accepted this statement for Mia only because Hedin said the same, when you have only have subjective opinion having multiple source is always better to asses their validity. That's why I can't give more credibility to Valleta.

I said Tsubaki wasn't worst than them, not better ! I really want to know your reasing to arrive at that interpretation. Didn't the narration said Phryne would win if the battle evolve into attrition War ? & For once whe see how Ais do without her level boost magic I won't complain. BEte isn't an argument & why you are always avoiding to write he was using his beastifiaction ?

Are you talking about the 1st Hildis vini that was used to neutralize Bell Argonaut or the 2nd that was revealed to have his power split ? Have you read Naruto? There is a panel in the Madara-Hashirama flashback that clearly states that even the most experienced ninja would waver if they closed one are killed in front of them, Alfrigg being the eldest of the siblings put has himself in a similar position.

Ais is 16 & has bartake in many war Dark Era included were she has cute the hand of several member of Evilus at that she can not longer be considered child.

There is an reasonable explaination for Alfrigg case you just have to read about his personnality, he simply go berserk which enter in the tv trop categories of thing that give renewed strength & determination.

Let's analyze what Hedin said to Mia:

"What a pathetic display, even with you here, Mia."

"… Stop babbling. I have a small gap in my strength."

"Then fill it immediately. If you’re going to sit back and sleep peacefully, we’ll all be crushed."

Mia accepts that she has a small gap in her strength, which implies that she has lost a bit of physical condition, but what is really interesting are Hedin's demands and expectations of her.

Asking her to "fill her gap immediately" means that she has not weakened and can return to full physical form during that fight; I repeat, this is not real life, we are talking about a fantasy world. I don't see it as that complicated to understand, the falna numerically indicates the magnitude of physical abilities, do the statistics deteriorate by not using or practicing them? ... no. The value of the statistics is maintained, which means that no matter how many years pass, the adventurer will retain the strength, endurance, agility and dexterity that are engraved on his back, that is, the body does not weaken due to retirement.

You could argue that the combat skills have deteriorated because they are not engraved on the falna, but Hedin trusts that Mia will recover her fullness immediately and tells her that if she does not, everyone will be crushed, that is, he is placing his faith in her to win, an expectation that would be ridiculous if retirement had really weakened her irremediably.

In conclusion, considering that the status and therefore the body do not deteriorate with time and Hedin's confidence in her immediate recovery, it is clear that retirement does not weaken the adventurers. Conclusion consistent with what Ottar said, where he only talked about Mia's stagnation (she's still the same as she was when she left the family), and he didn't tell her at any point: "you're weaker than you were when you were active" or anything like that.

This whole retirement weakness thing comes from you trying to justify Anya's absence in the ranking due to her retirement weakness, implying that if she had the condition she had in Folkvangr she would appear in the ranking because as a member of Freya she would be better than any other level 4.

But as you see, that's an assumption based on trying to apply a real-life condition to the world of Danmachi, in which the evidence indicates that if you retire you stagnate but you don't weaken. Argument that I used to prove that not every member of Freya is superior to their counterparts from other families, given that Anya wouldn't occupy the first place in the ranking in any case. However, if you already accept that it is not a universal rule, we can conclude this argument.

As a final note on this, we have no way to compare Anya with her Folkvangr version but her current version is very powerful, has had magnificent results and has received multiple praises from the author, so saying that she was weakened by retirement, not only lacks sources to corroborate it but is a mere assumption based on real-world logic that does not apply in Danmachi.

However, it is an interesting topic to analyze where the 3 waitresses would be in the ranking; by 2020 there would not be much problem in them being below Raul, but now, do not think that I do not share your reservations about it.

The first thing is that Anya is not necessarily better than Lunor and Chloe for not falling to the Bringar, the novel is clear in explaining that she had an advantage in knowing their fighting methods, that was a key factor that the other 2 did not have. According to this reasoning, Lunor and Chloe would be better because they defeated Grer and Dvalinn while Anya did not show the ability to do so.

Could Raul fight as well against Ryuu as Lunor did or could he defeat any of the Gulliver brothers in single combat with a level boost? Honestly, he does not give that impression, although he has some things in his favor such as being an expert in martial arts as he demonstrated against Valleta, or that he has shown himself to be almost at the level of Anakitty, being surpassed by her only in the battle of Knossos, since he had a rescue role, which did not allow him to obtain much excelia. If we had seen more fights we could get an idea of ​​what each one is capable of, hence why I insist that this series urgently needs more antagonists.

Also, you are being unfair by asking Raul to defeat Valleta to demonstrate his ability. How would he defeat a level 5 in single combat? But Anya has not achieved something similar either, or who are you referring to? Which higher level opponent did Anya defeat?

I've been able to notice that you only question Raul's position on them, should I interpret that as you have no qualms about accepting that they would go after Anakitty? A clear indication that I see that Aisha is stronger than them is that she was the one who was sent against Alfrigg, the strongest of the brothers, it is a common trope to send the most powerful against the most powerful.

Regarding Van, you deliberately omit that Bell was not in good shape, remember that Hogni said that his combat abilities were very basic, that he only showed genius when he had to repel deadly attacks, but could Van defeat the Bell that recovered and injured Hedin? Also, defeating someone in a duel does not necessarily prove that you are better, like in chess, sometimes the world champion loses a game against another grandmaster, but that victory does not rank him on the top of the world podium; to determine who is better, a match is played to 12 games generally where the one with the best score is proven as the best of the 2.

Omori said that Ais was stronger than Tiona, Tione and Bete but that in some duels she can lose against them, but Ais is still the best. Van could defeat Bell occasionally but couldn't Anakitty do the same? We have no way of knowing; However, the speed with which you level up is a clear indication of talent, look at all the powerful characters, all of them are characterized by having leveled up quickly, like Ais, Allen and Ryuu who went up to level 2 in a year. It's not conclusive proof but at least it's a clear indicator of talent that favors Anakitty over Van.

There would be much more clarity regarding these issues if Omori decided to end the fights, apart from the fact that there are almost no antagonists he also doesn't allow the duels to develop, how I hate this habit of his!!

From what I remember of the duel between Ais and Phryne, the latter was surprised by not being able to defeat Ais despite having much more status than her, which doesn't speak well of her, since Ais without her wind can only count on her lower base status. As for Bete, I don't mention beastization explicitly because it's his skill, everyone fights using their skills, so I don't see the need to point it out. As for it leveling him up to 7, I'd really love that to happen, but Omori isn't usually very precise when indicating the magnitude of the boosts, so it's premature to just assume that.

Compare Phryne and Allen's performance against Bete, you see a clear contrasting difference, and it's not due to the status since this difference wouldn't be much, so you can see that Phryne isn't a big deal, so it's not an incommensurable merit that Tsubaki is stronger than her. It seems more enlightening to me that Bete, Tiona and Tione will fight in the same adventure as her, leveling up and she won't, which denotes inferiority on her part despite being much older than them.

That's where you clearly see how the difference in professional approach has a clear effect on skill and development, perhaps if Tsubaki were a full-time adventurer she would be at the same level than them, but she isn't, she's a blacksmith.

As for Ottar, the second Hildis Vini, the one that Hedin deflected, he threw it with the intention of they overcome it, but if they couldn't and died, he thought it was because that was as far as they could go, so the question remains as to whether Ottar really held back in all stages of combat.

Ais doesn't specialize in duels, but in monsters, and losing her composure denotes inexperience on her part, but it's not her who has to prove that she's better than any other level 6 from another family, so it's not a big deal that she doesn't appear unfazed by a shock. In fact, the Gullivers were already nervous since they were separated, feeling fear of having to fight alone exacerbates the question of whether these level 5s would actually beat anyone else, in fact, with Grer's defeat at the hands of Lunor we already know for a fact that it's not like that.

Man, I find Alfrigg's thing very forced, the trope of strengthening through heroic resistance is common in shonen, but his power was 3 or 4 times what he had moments before, so, unless he has a very broken skill, it was a plot convenience so that the girls wouldn't attack Allen and he could continue his dialogue with Anya and Hogni and then display his magic.