Alfia

Question: Did anyone other than Alfia and Bel in the franchise use Limit Disabling? And can they even do this? Or is this exclusively for such strange people as Bell and Alfia? Or, for example, Ottar can and did do this too? Well, regarding the ss+ status, they can get it because of their skills, others, as I understand it, cannot?

Wouldn't the high levels reached by the Z&H families be due to having completed two of the great quests? If not, then at the very least Zald and Alfia would be able to reach level 8. What do you think?

Bell and Alfia have something in common, they can both feel the bloodlust of their enemies, and can spot their enemies even with their eyes closed or in the dark.

What do you think about it and tell me if I am wrong.

Anti-Magic vs. Magic Negation

Which is more useful and could one counter the other?

I have the feeling that if Bell and Ottar fight, which I think is very likely to happen, then it will be like the fight between Zald and Ottar in Astrea Records, with Ottar being the former and Bell being the latter. This idea is suported mainly by the thought that Bell's heritage (him being the last survivor of the Zeus and Hera familia) is revealed, which seriously, I can't think of any better arc than this one for this to be revealed to the world, and the extra story of Astrea Records where Zald and Alfia say that if Bell were to be part of the fight against the OEBD, then they wished that the heroes that they were about to create would guide him. I can easily see Ottar decide to use his fight with Bell to test him. Either lose, join my familia and I will train you, or win and surpass me and carry the legacy of the ones before you. I have a really big feeling that this would happen since Oomori already said that Astrea Records was a great source of inspiration for vol 16 and 17.

I honestly don't see Loki familia not helping Bell. I mean, it has to happen. Otherwise it will be a fuking massacre. So, this is how I think that they will be, pretty much, forced to so. This is just a theory and the only thing I came up with for Finn, Riveria and etc. to protect Bell when they have little to no reason to do so, as they would be risking the end of their familia.

I think Hermes is going to use their guilt. He will try to convince them in the old fashion way, and when realising that it does no good, he will plague on their guilt and reveal that Bell is the last survivor of the Zeus and Hera familia and that they kicked a new-born, that had absolutely nothing to do with anything, of his home, and that Bell never knew anything about his parent's thanks to them (I am assuming that Zeus kept his mouth shut in order to not caught the attention of Loki and Freya if Bell ever went to Orario). Maybe even tell that Alfia was his Aunt just to put even more salt in the wound by telling them that they killed the last blood-relative that he had.

I just don't see another way for them to get involved.

Edit: If Hermes does bring up Alfia, then I think that we are going to have some Astrea Records flashbacks in vol 17.

Could Bell inherits his Aunt's magic, via genetic memory?

When watching through Astrea Record in Danmemo, I had the impression that Zard and Alfia (along with the cannon fodder members of Evilus) would decimate a god's familia and then Erebus would yeet them back to Heaven. I was also under the impression that Astrea yeeted Erebus back to Heaven at the end of the story. However... How, exactly?

I'm pretty sure a mortal can't kill a god (with the potential exception being attacking them with a divine weapon, but since the only example of that is essentially official fanfiction, I'll ignore that). So, it definitely wasn't any mortal member of Evilus who sent those gods back to Heaven. And, if that's the case, what method do gods in the Lower World have to forcibly send other gods back to Heaven? It feels like it sorta has to be Arcanum, right -- gods killing other gods using god magic? Otherwise, why wouldn't gods who're at odds with each other just be forcibly sending each other back willy-nilly? What other methods could they possibly have to force another god to leave the Lower World?

But then, if it's Arcanum, what does that mean? I thought Phobos getting pulled back to Heaven despite being in Rakia at the time was evidence that you didn't need another god to actually kill you (or just nearby enough to sense Arcanum usage and report you to the fuzz back in Heaven, so to speak) in order to get yoinked back to Heaven by the gods who remained up there. Now, I'm not familiar with that example too intimately, but under that case, shouldn't Erebus have been yoinked back the second he used his Arcanum to expel other gods by force? Under the same presumptions, shouldn't Astrea have been yoinked back herself when she sent Erebus back?

Another example of a god returning to Heaven that I am intimately familiar with is Apollo seemingly just up and leaving the Lower World after losing the War Game with Hestia familia. This would indicate to me that a god can willingly return to Heaven of their own volition. However, why would the gods of the defeated familias just opt to leave Orario just because their familias had been reduced to scraps? There doesn't seem to be any rule saying a god can't stay in the Lower World after losing their last familia member (though clearly, if you've never had a familia member before, you're allowed to just lounge around for years without getting one *cough cough* Hestia *cough cough*). Astrea herself is a comparable example of a god losing their familia and remaining in the Lower World -- as is Zeus, though I hesitate to bring him up because he's disguised himself so well that only a handful of the gods in the Lower World know he's still around.

So why, if this was the reason they returned to Heaven, would the gods leading the familias defeated by Evilus decide to willingly return to heaven at the outset of a terrorist incursion? It's not like Erebus could threaten them with anything if the info in the previous paragraph is true -- his underlings couldn't kill the gods, and he couldn't use his Arcanum without getting pulled back to Heaven by the god-cops. Plus, by the story's own admission, Orario needed all the adventurers it could get at the time, so a bunch of gods just deciding to peace out seems, at best, highly inadvisable. For these reasons, I just can't believe those gods would just decide, "Sure, Erebus, ol' buddy ol' pal -- this isn't an official War Game where I agree to return to Heaven if things don't go my way, and you have nothing you can effectively threaten me with... But sure, I'll just return to Heaven for ya!" There just has to be Arcanum involved, it seems.

So which is it? Is Arcanum use monitored by the gods back in Heaven, or by the gods nearby on the Lower World? Doesn't it also have something to do with the contract with the Dungeon itself -- wasn't too much unpunished Arcanum usage the reason the monsters started moving up from the lower floors in AR, or am I misremembering? If it's the gods in Heaven who have jurisdiction over it, is it just overlooked as long as a) the god's definitely evil and doesn't have any regard for the rules of the Lower World or b) is enforcing those rules and punishing a god who broke them? Or, if it's the gods in the Lower World who have jurisdiction over it, does that mean it's totally possible for a god to just use their Arcanum without getting caught -- and at what point would doing so cause the Dungeon to rebel by sending strong monsters up towards the surface?

What is going on? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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