Loki Familia

From the very beginning of the story, Raul is presented to us as a typical loser. He is a whiner, a coward and a weakling, without a male iron core, with low self-esteem. And he is generally afraid to do anything with women.

In addition, he is only level four, although he joined the Loki Familia only a year later than Ais. He was already 13 years old, a fairly conscious age, and he came to Orario with ambitions, and he himself came from a rural area where life is not so easy, and as a cherry on the cake, Loki herself chose him, that is, there was something in him.

But having received Falna, he had neither magic nor skills. Okay, I can understand that, he didn't have a strong enough desire, but I can't believe that a person who had to go through many hardships, starting with his native village (and life there was clearly not sugar) and the Dark Ages of Orario and ending with numerous expeditions, where he clearly had to look death in the face many times, did not receive a single skill or magic. The same Liliruka, who is considered untalented, received both a skill and magic. The same with such characters as Daphne, Cassandra, Aisha and many others.

So what should Raul Nord be like, the young man who is promised leadership in the Loki Familia?

Let his personality traits at the beginning of the story not change much, compared to the original, but he will already have several stories with women (both positive and negative), but at the same time he is not a womanizer. And from the very beginning of the story we see how his relationship with Aki changes, from comrades who have known each other since their teens, to full-fledged partners. Later they get married of course, and there is no need for any harems, especially not such "pseudo-harems" as Bell's. As a leader, he is still not ideal, but he is respected and taken seriously.

I would prefer that he also had a level 5, just that his stats were lower than Ais and the others. After defeating the half-spirit, he, like Lefiya, could have increased his level, but he decided to make his stats higher, but they would not exceed level B. This will show that although he is good, he is not powerful.

It would be logical for him to have a skill that strengthens his Familia members, but it would not be something OP, everything is within reason.

He should also have a skill that helps him command, like Finn. It is strange that Liliruka has such a skill, but not him.

Well, since his last name is Nord, it would be nice to give him a skill that increases his resistance to the ice element, as well as increases the power of his own attacks inflicted by it.

As for magic, this is an ice barrier or domain spell. It will support his allies, and it can also be used for crowd control. Well, and optionally dispel in the form of an ice stream, maybe even like liquid nitrogen, which will cause damage over a wide area, to enemies around him.

Well, as the story progresses, it would be nice to give him a grimoire, say from Fels, after reading which he will receive ice enchantment magic. It will envelop him in an icy aura that will protect him while simultaneously causing damage to his enemies. He will also be able to envelop a weapon in the ice element. This magic will also have a couple of additional actions. But nothing OP, this magic is not very powerful, it does not make him much stronger or faster. It just expands the range of his capabilities. This magic is the crystallization of his desire to be on the same level as his idol, Finn.

Well, regarding his development skills, instead of Escape, he will have Chain Attack, for level 5 he will get Magic Resistance, and for level 6 he will get either Mage, which will make him much stronger, or Swordsman (although I would prefer that he had a swordsman through the skill, like Finn).

Will all this make him an OP character (of which there are so many in the story) - no. He will simply become stronger, and his development will be more enjoyable to watch. He is not some super powerful hero, but simply a strong and capable, versatile adventurer. In this regard, he will become more like Lefiya, who was so nice to read about from the very beginning.

And what do you think about Raul and how the author has been treating him for so many years? I would be pleased to read a volume specially allocated for him, like Bete and the Twins.

In Danmachi, at least as far as the main series is concerned, there are no longer any antagonists. Who must Bell and company defeat? Who will be the adversaries for his new friends from the Freya family? OEBD? This will serve as the final boss of the franchise but not at all as an antagonist for intermediate arcs.

In any shonen (Bleach, Naruto, Saint Seiya, etc.) there are always adversaries that the protagonists must defeat. Can you write a shonen without them? But in DanMachi, generating antagonists is a big problem, as a consequence of the level system and the need for the dungeon for this one; power is a very exclusive privilege, I would say much more exclusive than what suits the plot.

The impossibility of generating antagonists has already created some argumentative problems, for example: the reuse of ideas to provide Bell with adversaries, such as the Juggernaut Xenos, which is a bad copy of Asterius (a monster that Bell defeated and revived for the second round).

Also, the practically zero opportunity to have diverse adventures when you have a high level, for example: Leon said he wanted to go on an adventure with Bell, but what could they do? Train? Explore the lower floors or the first deep floors? Those would be mere trivialities for them, so what could they do that would be interesting...?

I was reading Astrea Record and there was one circumstance that caught my attention, namely: when Ottar explained to the war council that Evilus had a warrior who was at least level 6 and they were surprised, Finn said that it was not something so unusual, given that in the times of Zeus and Hera there were multiple families whose captains were level 6, even level 7.

This might not mean anything transcendental, but I also see a principle of opportunity there, because Omori was deliberately ambiguous regarding the final fate of these families; he could have said: "the Zeus and Hera families totally annihilated them" or "they perished against the dragon", but no, he left it up in the air what happened to them, which opens up possibilities.

Would it be a monumental plot convenience to use them in the precent? In my opinion not at all, what seems to me to be a gigantic plot convenience is that in all of Orario there are only 2 strong families, abysmally superior to the rest. Orario is the center of the world and the dungeon is available to everyone, so does it really make sense that out of all the migrants in the world, only those with the falnas of Loki or Freya can reach level 6 or higher?

The scenario that I see most coherent is that described for the generation of Zeus and Hera, where, yes, there were 2 families that stood out above the others, but they had rivals who, having the same opportunities as them, also prospered.

In conclusion, this is one of the best possibilities I see to fill the need for antagonists for the main series, do you like it? Do you not like it and would prefer other different antagonists? Are you happy with just the dungeon for everyone? Let me know what you think about it!

f the alliance with the Kali Family, plus the death stone and gugalanna had worked out, could she have won? what do you think?

So, I'm sure this has been posted a million times already, but I'd like to share some theories about what could/should happen in the Vol 18 Wargame arc and would love to hear some of your theories too.

Basically Bell/Hestia Familia will end up winning. It needs to happen for Bell to take top spot in Orario and keep carrying on as the hero. The question really is how it will happen.

This is fairly long so bear with me.

My theory of roughly how it will likely play out is:

· Bell will rank up to level 5 right at the start of the book (since he could after the expedition and his stats are now maxed out)

· Hestia Familia will be joined in alliance with Loki, Hephaestus, Miach, Take and Hermes

· All the tier 1 and 2 fighters will spend their time training Bell to make him stronger while the gods work on delaying the wargame for as long as possible

· A bunch of drama / smaller conflicts will happen while this goes on, but ultimately Bell will be close to SS rank on all stats by the start of the wargame

· Freya will cash in her favour with Ais by telling her to break Bell's heart before the fight, with a threat to take it out on Loki Familia (via her charm) if she tries to back out, with the idea being to weaken his resolve going into the fight

· Ais does it since she can't think of a way out of it and does it outside where Freya can watch from her tower and Alan/Hedin watch from nearby. But Bell sees through it as Freya's manipulation due to all the eyes watching them so goes into the fight pissed and more determined rather than broken

· The wargame starts with both Bell and Ottar staying back (since they are the captains and need to stay safe) and it is fairly even

· After a while Ottar joins the fight and starts wrecking shop forcing Bell to join the fight too.

· Naturally Ottar is too strong for Bell at level 5. The fight escalates and the alliance starts to lose, with Freya familia getting more violent in the battles

· The escalating violence basically 'triggers' Bell and he goes limit off like never before and fights Ottar in a battle that make everyone else just stop and watch (like when he fought Asterios). All on the battlefield, those in Orario and around the world watch the fight in awe.

· Then Bell manages to just scrape a win and is officially named Orario's strongest

· After the fight Bell ranks up to level 6

· Hestia takes Freya for all she is worth but leaves her actual sentence to Bell, but it leaves that until book 19

That is more or less how I expect it to go, and it would be awesome if it goes that way. But it seems a bit safe. We all want Bell to stand out on top of all so I think a more extreme result would be better. This is what I 'want' to see happen:

· It starts the same as above with Bell hitting level 5 and the familias joining forces

· However, when Hermes joins the alliance (during a denatis in front of all the gods) he gets pressured into saying why he is not being neutral, and why he is so focused on Bell

· Hermes then declares that Bell is the hero of the age who would slay the Black Dragon, so he was too important to become Freya's plaything. All the gods are shocked with some laughing it off, while for many more it's likely true and the news starts spreading around Orario

· The training with the Tier 1 and 2 adventurers starts, but with the original plan being to hide his progress (like by training in the dungeon) until Cassandra pipes up and saying that it should be where Freya can see

· Most people dismiss it, and she gets depressed, but afterwards Finn and the Gods ask her about it and to tell them about the dream she had, saying that Freya had to see the training and that it had to be with Women. Finn and the others go along with it (since it's not hard to work out why this would matter) and the training happens up on the wall with just women

· At around this time Cassandra also secretly asks Welf to make a specific item for Bell. Welf doesn't believe the dream perspective, but after what happened with the Goliath scarf on the expedition, he chooses to trust her on it

· The training starts up on the walls with Freya watching. Naturally she gets jealous of all the women around him. After a few days she acts on it by calling in her favour to Ais and makes her break Bell’s heart

· After that Bell vanishes and isn't seen again until the start of the wargame. We have an interlude-style chapter of everyone’s reactions to this, then it cuts to the start of the wargame

· The wargame starts with Freya familia standing there waiting for it to start but then see Bell walking towards them by himself. This throws them since it makes no sense why they would risk him, especially since Finn was on the other side and wouldn’t agree to such a risk

· While they're still discussing it all Alan gets pissed and just charges Bell. Bell reacts faster than he can even see and punches him the guts so hard he just collapses. Everyone on the battlefield and watching remote are silent as Bell just one-shots a Lvl 6 tier 1

· Bell picks Alan up with 1 hand and his spear in the other, gives it a quick Argonaut charge and smashes it into him to send him flying hundreds of meters out of the wargame area then starts walking towards Freya familia again

· Freya familia start to realise they may be in trouble, while all the gods back in Orario start getting excited once they realise what is about to happen, with Loki basically drooling about it

· Bell keeps walking and starts shooting firebolts at the front lines and breaks through the lines

· He charges a 20-30sec Argo firebolt and shoots it straight down the middle at Ottar. Ottar sees it coming so jumps out in front of his familia to intercept it with his sword in a big slice, splits it down the middle but it still hits those behind him

· But before Ottar’s sword has even hit the ground in his slice Bell comes charging through the fire faster than anyone can see and hits Ottar in the face with an Argo-boosted spinning kick and sends him flying right out the back line

· Bell lands right in the middle of Freya familia, takes out the healers and sends them flying too. All of this before anyone else even sees what is going on let alone react

· They all engage Bell in a fight but can't touch him

· Ottar recovers and goes beast mode then joins the fight too but also can't hit Bell

· They treat him like a floor boss after this and setup mage spells with shield walls all around Bell while the Tier 1 fighters try to keep him busy. Once the mages are ready to fire, they all jump back, and the spells all hit Bell who doesn't even try to move out of the way

· The bombardment keeps piling on and it's utter devastation. Once the barrage stops it takes a while for the dust to clear, with everyone there and in Orario waiting with bated breath

· Once the dust clears, they see Bell standing there fine with a magical barrier around himself. He's holding a magic dagger/knife. It then flashes back to the conversation between Cassandra and Welf and we find out that this is what she wanted him to make. An unbreakable magic blade that cast defensive magic

· Flash back to the fight and everyone sees that Bell's other hand is holding the Hestia knife and his fist is glowing. He charged for a full 2 minutes while the spells hit, and the dust cleared

· He says something like 'my turn', dispels the shield, stabs Hestia knife into the ground and fires his firebolt before anyone can react at all

· By shooting it into the ground he spread the magic from a straight-line attack into a devastating wide-area explosion like a volcano and blows everyone away but without killing anyone

· Cut to the reactions of the alliance and everyone in Orario being completely stunned

· After the smoke clears the only people still standing are Bell and Ottar (who got his sword up in time), and they’re standing in the bottom of massive crater

· Bell then talks to Ottar and those watching from Orario, and gives a message/warning to anyone else who would come after him, Hestia, his Familia, his friends or allies, that everything up to that point had been him holding back

· Ottar feels fear in battle for the first time since Zeus/Hera were defeated

· Before anyone can process what Bell just said he attacks and completely lays into Ottar with speed and strength no one can comprehend. Speeding all around Ottar (dragonball or one-for-all-100% style) and completely destroys him. Breaks just about every bone in his body and knocks him out cold

· The fight is over, and Bell is recognised as the strongest in the world

· Hestia gives Freya a lecture about her actions and how she drove Bell to this, then takes her for all she's worth. She then tells her that Bell will determine her fate

· Loki then rubs salt in her wounds saying that she did all of this to try and claim Bell and that he was the one that brought it all crashing down for her, laughing the whole time

· Bell walks back to alliance while they all just stare at him in awe. The commentators then talk about Hermes crazy declaration weeks earlier about Bell being the hero of the age and how they’re now starting to believe it too.

· It cuts to scenes around Orario and around the world for everyone’s reactions. Including Zeus, Hera, Apollo, Ares, Poseidon, and many other gods, where they are around the world, and also the Kali Familia as they admire the strongest man in the world

· For the next chapter it then moves back to their home with all members of the alliance present and Bell tells them where he was and what he did

· He knew after the first day of training that it wouldn't be enough. He needed to reach level 6 and gain a new powerful skill to stand any chance against Ottar

· Since he has levelled up quickly so many times and gained many skills/abilities he has a basic idea of how it works so knows that to get that sort of skill he will need to meet certain requirements and put himself through hell to do it

· More than that, he knew that in order to beat someone like Ottar he needed to train with someone as strong or stronger than Ottar. That night he contacted Fels using an Oculus asking him to setup a meeting with Asterios

· Cut to the morning before Ais broke his heart to him getting a response from Fels to say that Asterios agreed to the meeting. Cut forward to later that night after Ais has broken his heart to Bell walking towards Babel hurt and lost in thought

· He knows what he needs to do but knows no one would approve, and he also has no supplies. As he's lost in thought he comes face-to-face with Cassandra at the bottom of the stairs in Babel leading to the dungeon first floor. She tells him a dream sent her there and she gives him a backpack full of supplies as well as several empty ones. She also gives him the item she had Welf make. Bell thanks her and heads into the dungeon

· Cut to Bell meeting with Fels, Asterios and the other Xenos. He explains to Asterios what is going on, and tells him that if they fight now, or if he loses the wargame and he becomes Freya’s plaything, they will never be able to have their epic battle to the death that they both want. He then asks Asterios to train with him and he agrees

· They then train together day and night for a week taking only the shortest of breaks possible before changing things up. They move from training in one spot to fighting each other on the move, with the Xenos and Fels as supporters (using the extra empty backpacks for drop items and magic stones).

· They fight each other all the way to the boss room on the 37th floor then Bell solos Udaeus. He could have finished it quickly with Argo Vesta but dragged it out to get the sword drop (the full 6m long version, not a shard)

· They then fight their way back up through the floors and when the reach the water capital Amphisbaena shows up. Bell uses the black sword to slice off both heads at once, grabs the drop items and then keeps going

· They keep fighting up to floor 20, then he splits with the Xenos. Fels keeps working as supporter up to the surface (since it's the middle of the night). They part ways and Bell heads home

· While they’re on their way back Goliath shows up, so Bell bisects him with the big sword too, bringing his solo-boss count to 3

· Hestia is asleep alone waiting for him in the living room, so he wakes her up. She freaks out about him being gone and bursts into tears.

· She then updates his status, tells him he ranked up and gained a new skill. One similar to the Slayer skill but that isn’t limited to just monsters. One that boosts his abilities based on the strength of his opponent and stacks the boost for each additional opponent. Effectively making him completely overpowered when taking on impossible odds, such as a monster party or all of an entire Familia at once

· He then thanks Hestia, tells her everything will be OK, leaves and runs straight out of Orario and to the place where the wargame is to happen. Arriving not long before it starts, he tells everyone that he plans to face Freya familia alone.

· After hearing the story everyone is naturally shocked. Lily and Hestia, both in tears, yell at Bell for risking his life so badly and making them all worry while everyone else watches.

· Ais is sitting off to the side silent and lost in thought, remembering the look on Bell’s face as she broke his heart, the incredible lengths he went through to get stronger, realising that he was now so far ahead of her that she will never be able to catch up, and trying to understand her own feelings. There's some further discussions after this

· Then in the epilogue it's an internal monologue from Freya about how she’s made one mistake after another and how everything has fallen down around her, and ends with her walking into one of the sound-proof rooms at the Guild to face Bell, while a crowd of their Familia members and the general public wait outside. The outcome of their talk and the fallout from the wargame (and the Ais/Bell arc) would then be in book 19.

Anyway, I know I've completely overthought all of that but I can't really help it. Of those 2 options I think the first is probably closest to what would happen, but I'm hoping for something like the second. I want to see Bell stand out on top of everyone as the strongest, and for everyone to realise he's the hero of the age. And yes, I know the chances of Asterios agreeing to train with Bell is close to zero, but it would still be cool. An evenly matched battle that comes down to a very close win is more in line with the rest of the Danmachi, which is exactly why I think changing it up with a one-sided thumping that blind-sides everyone would be a good change.

I also considered what kind of skill or spell Bell could gain that could give him the edge against Ottar. He could have gained a new enchantment-type spell, maybe something like ‘Ignite Vesta’ that would cover him in flames and give him a big boost in strength and speed, but I figured it was too close to what both Ais and Bete can do with magic. It seems more in line with who Bell is that he’d get a boost skill, especially if it is named after a hero. Like he already has ‘Heroic Desire: Argonaut’, named after the first hero, so it wouldn’t would be a stretch for him to get something like ‘Heroic Conquest: Waldstein’, named after the greatest hero. One to turn the tables in battle and one to allow him to face and overcome impossible odds in battle.

I also think Bell will find out about Zeus in book 19 after the wargame, and that he, Hestia, Hermes and Asfi will go on a trip to see him. I also think they’ll take Lyuu with them since they’ll be (hopefully) heading close to where Astrea lives and then she’ll rank up to level 5 and transfer into Hestia Familia. And also at some point in 19 or 20 I think Bell will save Loki Familia from an enhanced/irregular in the dungeon (and likely hit level 7). One too strong even for them to face. And then Ais would finally see Bell as the hero she’s been longing for.

What are your thoughts on this?

What do you think about this place?

Do you think if OEBD are stay in this place?

What if hestia familia and Loki familia goes to this place for looking a hint to defeat OEBD in here or from someone which know about OEBD weakness that lives in this place?

It is possible for ais to be sacrificed for maquia or I or bell should kill ais in the battle against OEBD or the last boss in dungeon.

He must choose the life of the world fate and the people lived in there or choose ais life than them, just like omori said in the movie interview about the Artemis scene.

Just one choice between those choice bell should decide on. As the world hero that everyone waiting for or just for one girl hero.

Ais will be sacrificed for the world and God's or she will become just like berserk mode because she lost her mother

Bell could decide to kill her, save her but let the world destroyed, or find the third choice.

However the time is approaching for him to make a decisions.

The concept is very simple. If the author decided to make a series of short what-if stories what what-if story would you most like to see.

For me, I would like to see a what-if the Hestia familia and the Loki familia teamed up on an expedition. I just want to read about the interaction between Bell and Ais and what Riveria, Gareth, and Finn think about it.

First of all, i dont know when wil 18th will came but i dont know the time-spam between volumes. I would like to ask about your ideas.

Secound for who think, war game about hestia vs freya familia. Its possiblity is low. A goddes who charmed evryone will get attacked by rebels(charmed-orario cizitans and adventures also gods and goddes.*). She will be send to tensei ig imidiently cuz she broke the rule. No war games. However there is a change of loki familia vs freya familia in normal fighting between familias like freya vs ishtar familia. It was not legal(idk what to say*) like "war game", that is legaly fight beetween familias. Thats all ƪ(‾ε‾“)ʃ . Stay safe and have good days. Talking in this site is awsome and makes me happy. Also someone writed zues to zeus : )

I saw that someone said the arcs that are left are rest of Freya arc, Ais arc, and OEBD arc. Now I don't know if he was just talking about MAJOR arcs that are left or overall arcs that are left.

I know that people think there will be an arc where Bell will defeat Asterius, but to be honest for the OEBD arc I think they will need Asterius for that fight. So the author might have to a sequel series that only is about going to the deepest part of the dungeon. That can be when Bell needs a level up and to do that he will have to defeat Asterius.

I also wonder if that comment about these being the last arcs are true because I don't think we will have an arc about exploring the deepest parts of the dungeon until a sequel series. Why? While I don't know all the knowledge in the world about Zeus and Hera familia but they didn't even go to the deepest depths of the dungeon and instead tried doing the 3 great quest while they where still around. That makes me wonder if the Loki, Hestia, Frey familias will do the same thing instead and try to defeat the OEBD before finishing the dungeon floors.

Unless they start to go deeper into the dungeon floors during Ais arc which I think her arc will be mostly an expedition with the Hestia familia. Her arc will consist of going in depth on her past and Bell trying to fix Ais mental state (which will need to happen if she wants to truly defeat the OEBD). The only way Bell will fix that probably is to become her hero and I think that also could happen fighting extremely difficult enemies with the Loki familia on an expedition in the deepest floors. I don't think Bell would become her hero during the OEBD arc because I think Ais and Bell will be on the same level and have the same motivation to defeat the dragon during that arc. It also would resemble Ais parents than, because Albert was already Arias hero before the fight with the OEBD.

Ais arc would lead into the OEBD arc, since Bell will now know Ais past and will want to make sure her dream comes true to defeat the OEBD. Bell also might know more about his past at this point too. Both Ais and Bell actually have extremely similar backgrounds, Both of Bells parents respected familias where wiped out by the dragon same as Ais and both where orphans at a very young age thanks to the dragon. But the difference is Ais parents where the strongest of there time and Bells parents where the weakest for there respected familas. I think this shared connection and probablythey will lose some important figures in there lives during the OEBD fight. This will push these two to another level and defeat the dragon by landing the final blow together.

With these arcs and assuming they take up 3-4 volumes each (3-4 volumes because these two arcs are the most important arcs of the entire series)...that still only puts us up to 24-26 volumes and I swear I saw somewhere that the author wants to do 30 volumes. What are some peoples thoughts on what is left for arcs and how do you think they will go?

Zald said that he was beaten up by Ottar and Finn.

We were told that even the weakest of Zeus familia could one-hit defeat level 3 Ottar (which I honestly think isn't that easy, even if you are a level 4).

I know Ottar at the time was more than likely over level 3, but it raises me a question and I kind of came up with speculation.

What if the reason why Oomori made sure to put this info in the game, which wouldn't really make sense, since their many other adventurers that could beat him up, like Riveria and Gareth, is because Bell's father fought against both Finn and Ottar, somehow at the same time, or the fights happened very close to one another?

What I'm suggesting is simple: what if Bell's father actually tried to fight against Loki and Freya familia when they were getting expelled? And then he ended up fighting Ottar and Finn? I mean, it wouldn't be that strange. At that time he had a son and a woman he loved. Could see him not being exactly happy of them being expelled just because.

Though this does raise another question: WHEN THE FUCK DID BELL'S PARENTS DIED???!!!!!!

I honestly don't see Loki familia not helping Bell. I mean, it has to happen. Otherwise it will be a fuking massacre. So, this is how I think that they will be, pretty much, forced to so. This is just a theory and the only thing I came up with for Finn, Riveria and etc. to protect Bell when they have little to no reason to do so, as they would be risking the end of their familia.

I think Hermes is going to use their guilt. He will try to convince them in the old fashion way, and when realising that it does no good, he will plague on their guilt and reveal that Bell is the last survivor of the Zeus and Hera familia and that they kicked a new-born, that had absolutely nothing to do with anything, of his home, and that Bell never knew anything about his parent's thanks to them (I am assuming that Zeus kept his mouth shut in order to not caught the attention of Loki and Freya if Bell ever went to Orario). Maybe even tell that Alfia was his Aunt just to put even more salt in the wound by telling them that they killed the last blood-relative that he had.

I just don't see another way for them to get involved.

Edit: If Hermes does bring up Alfia, then I think that we are going to have some Astrea Records flashbacks in vol 17.

Like the topic said, if Loki had to level up one of them which do you think she would choose?

I honestly think that Gareth might be the one that she levels up to level 7. From a stats and abilities point of view he might be the best choice if Loki had to level one of them up.

His strength and endurance are almost maxed out and his skills only increase those stats even further. He seems pretty solid with his attack and defense.