Ottar

Just read Episode Freya ch.2 and discover Ottar's flashback about participants Hera Familia.

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"In another ten years, maybe I'll make you my husband."
Seeing Ottar beaten into ground in the <...>, the follower of Hera, the world's scariest woman, the Level-9 empress, laughed
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I can't recognize this woman. Help me pls. Who is she? (On Hera Familia page, I didn't find any 9l)

Question: Did anyone other than Alfia and Bel in the franchise use Limit Disabling? And can they even do this? Or is this exclusively for such strange people as Bell and Alfia? Or, for example, Ottar can and did do this too? Well, regarding the ss+ status, they can get it because of their skills, others, as I understand it, cannot?

Assuming Omori writes something "consistent", what will Ottar and the others face in the next volumes?

How strong is allen's magic? and can someone please describe it in greater detail?

The same for ottarl's magic

Level 5 Bell

Bell with a new form of his magic.

Potential allies of the Hestia Familia might be:

Loki Familia (Ais, Tione, Tiona, Finn, Riveria, Gareth, Bete, Lefiya)

Miach Familia

Takemikazuchi Familia

Hephaestus Familia

Hermes Familia

Astrea Familia

Ryu

Some minor characters.

A collaboration between Bell and Ais vs Ottar during the War Game.

Zeus appears (maybe Hera if Omori change his mind)

What do you think about it?

Bell VS Ottar = Draw or Bell wins

What do you think and Why ?

So, I'm sure this has been posted a million times already, but I'd like to share some theories about what could/should happen in the Vol 18 Wargame arc and would love to hear some of your theories too.

Basically Bell/Hestia Familia will end up winning. It needs to happen for Bell to take top spot in Orario and keep carrying on as the hero. The question really is how it will happen.

This is fairly long so bear with me.

My theory of roughly how it will likely play out is:

· Bell will rank up to level 5 right at the start of the book (since he could after the expedition and his stats are now maxed out)

· Hestia Familia will be joined in alliance with Loki, Hephaestus, Miach, Take and Hermes

· All the tier 1 and 2 fighters will spend their time training Bell to make him stronger while the gods work on delaying the wargame for as long as possible

· A bunch of drama / smaller conflicts will happen while this goes on, but ultimately Bell will be close to SS rank on all stats by the start of the wargame

· Freya will cash in her favour with Ais by telling her to break Bell's heart before the fight, with a threat to take it out on Loki Familia (via her charm) if she tries to back out, with the idea being to weaken his resolve going into the fight

· Ais does it since she can't think of a way out of it and does it outside where Freya can watch from her tower and Alan/Hedin watch from nearby. But Bell sees through it as Freya's manipulation due to all the eyes watching them so goes into the fight pissed and more determined rather than broken

· The wargame starts with both Bell and Ottar staying back (since they are the captains and need to stay safe) and it is fairly even

· After a while Ottar joins the fight and starts wrecking shop forcing Bell to join the fight too.

· Naturally Ottar is too strong for Bell at level 5. The fight escalates and the alliance starts to lose, with Freya familia getting more violent in the battles

· The escalating violence basically 'triggers' Bell and he goes limit off like never before and fights Ottar in a battle that make everyone else just stop and watch (like when he fought Asterios). All on the battlefield, those in Orario and around the world watch the fight in awe.

· Then Bell manages to just scrape a win and is officially named Orario's strongest

· After the fight Bell ranks up to level 6

· Hestia takes Freya for all she is worth but leaves her actual sentence to Bell, but it leaves that until book 19

That is more or less how I expect it to go, and it would be awesome if it goes that way. But it seems a bit safe. We all want Bell to stand out on top of all so I think a more extreme result would be better. This is what I 'want' to see happen:

· It starts the same as above with Bell hitting level 5 and the familias joining forces

· However, when Hermes joins the alliance (during a denatis in front of all the gods) he gets pressured into saying why he is not being neutral, and why he is so focused on Bell

· Hermes then declares that Bell is the hero of the age who would slay the Black Dragon, so he was too important to become Freya's plaything. All the gods are shocked with some laughing it off, while for many more it's likely true and the news starts spreading around Orario

· The training with the Tier 1 and 2 adventurers starts, but with the original plan being to hide his progress (like by training in the dungeon) until Cassandra pipes up and saying that it should be where Freya can see

· Most people dismiss it, and she gets depressed, but afterwards Finn and the Gods ask her about it and to tell them about the dream she had, saying that Freya had to see the training and that it had to be with Women. Finn and the others go along with it (since it's not hard to work out why this would matter) and the training happens up on the wall with just women

· At around this time Cassandra also secretly asks Welf to make a specific item for Bell. Welf doesn't believe the dream perspective, but after what happened with the Goliath scarf on the expedition, he chooses to trust her on it

· The training starts up on the walls with Freya watching. Naturally she gets jealous of all the women around him. After a few days she acts on it by calling in her favour to Ais and makes her break Bell’s heart

· After that Bell vanishes and isn't seen again until the start of the wargame. We have an interlude-style chapter of everyone’s reactions to this, then it cuts to the start of the wargame

· The wargame starts with Freya familia standing there waiting for it to start but then see Bell walking towards them by himself. This throws them since it makes no sense why they would risk him, especially since Finn was on the other side and wouldn’t agree to such a risk

· While they're still discussing it all Alan gets pissed and just charges Bell. Bell reacts faster than he can even see and punches him the guts so hard he just collapses. Everyone on the battlefield and watching remote are silent as Bell just one-shots a Lvl 6 tier 1

· Bell picks Alan up with 1 hand and his spear in the other, gives it a quick Argonaut charge and smashes it into him to send him flying hundreds of meters out of the wargame area then starts walking towards Freya familia again

· Freya familia start to realise they may be in trouble, while all the gods back in Orario start getting excited once they realise what is about to happen, with Loki basically drooling about it

· Bell keeps walking and starts shooting firebolts at the front lines and breaks through the lines

· He charges a 20-30sec Argo firebolt and shoots it straight down the middle at Ottar. Ottar sees it coming so jumps out in front of his familia to intercept it with his sword in a big slice, splits it down the middle but it still hits those behind him

· But before Ottar’s sword has even hit the ground in his slice Bell comes charging through the fire faster than anyone can see and hits Ottar in the face with an Argo-boosted spinning kick and sends him flying right out the back line

· Bell lands right in the middle of Freya familia, takes out the healers and sends them flying too. All of this before anyone else even sees what is going on let alone react

· They all engage Bell in a fight but can't touch him

· Ottar recovers and goes beast mode then joins the fight too but also can't hit Bell

· They treat him like a floor boss after this and setup mage spells with shield walls all around Bell while the Tier 1 fighters try to keep him busy. Once the mages are ready to fire, they all jump back, and the spells all hit Bell who doesn't even try to move out of the way

· The bombardment keeps piling on and it's utter devastation. Once the barrage stops it takes a while for the dust to clear, with everyone there and in Orario waiting with bated breath

· Once the dust clears, they see Bell standing there fine with a magical barrier around himself. He's holding a magic dagger/knife. It then flashes back to the conversation between Cassandra and Welf and we find out that this is what she wanted him to make. An unbreakable magic blade that cast defensive magic

· Flash back to the fight and everyone sees that Bell's other hand is holding the Hestia knife and his fist is glowing. He charged for a full 2 minutes while the spells hit, and the dust cleared

· He says something like 'my turn', dispels the shield, stabs Hestia knife into the ground and fires his firebolt before anyone can react at all

· By shooting it into the ground he spread the magic from a straight-line attack into a devastating wide-area explosion like a volcano and blows everyone away but without killing anyone

· Cut to the reactions of the alliance and everyone in Orario being completely stunned

· After the smoke clears the only people still standing are Bell and Ottar (who got his sword up in time), and they’re standing in the bottom of massive crater

· Bell then talks to Ottar and those watching from Orario, and gives a message/warning to anyone else who would come after him, Hestia, his Familia, his friends or allies, that everything up to that point had been him holding back

· Ottar feels fear in battle for the first time since Zeus/Hera were defeated

· Before anyone can process what Bell just said he attacks and completely lays into Ottar with speed and strength no one can comprehend. Speeding all around Ottar (dragonball or one-for-all-100% style) and completely destroys him. Breaks just about every bone in his body and knocks him out cold

· The fight is over, and Bell is recognised as the strongest in the world

· Hestia gives Freya a lecture about her actions and how she drove Bell to this, then takes her for all she's worth. She then tells her that Bell will determine her fate

· Loki then rubs salt in her wounds saying that she did all of this to try and claim Bell and that he was the one that brought it all crashing down for her, laughing the whole time

· Bell walks back to alliance while they all just stare at him in awe. The commentators then talk about Hermes crazy declaration weeks earlier about Bell being the hero of the age and how they’re now starting to believe it too.

· It cuts to scenes around Orario and around the world for everyone’s reactions. Including Zeus, Hera, Apollo, Ares, Poseidon, and many other gods, where they are around the world, and also the Kali Familia as they admire the strongest man in the world

· For the next chapter it then moves back to their home with all members of the alliance present and Bell tells them where he was and what he did

· He knew after the first day of training that it wouldn't be enough. He needed to reach level 6 and gain a new powerful skill to stand any chance against Ottar

· Since he has levelled up quickly so many times and gained many skills/abilities he has a basic idea of how it works so knows that to get that sort of skill he will need to meet certain requirements and put himself through hell to do it

· More than that, he knew that in order to beat someone like Ottar he needed to train with someone as strong or stronger than Ottar. That night he contacted Fels using an Oculus asking him to setup a meeting with Asterios

· Cut to the morning before Ais broke his heart to him getting a response from Fels to say that Asterios agreed to the meeting. Cut forward to later that night after Ais has broken his heart to Bell walking towards Babel hurt and lost in thought

· He knows what he needs to do but knows no one would approve, and he also has no supplies. As he's lost in thought he comes face-to-face with Cassandra at the bottom of the stairs in Babel leading to the dungeon first floor. She tells him a dream sent her there and she gives him a backpack full of supplies as well as several empty ones. She also gives him the item she had Welf make. Bell thanks her and heads into the dungeon

· Cut to Bell meeting with Fels, Asterios and the other Xenos. He explains to Asterios what is going on, and tells him that if they fight now, or if he loses the wargame and he becomes Freya’s plaything, they will never be able to have their epic battle to the death that they both want. He then asks Asterios to train with him and he agrees

· They then train together day and night for a week taking only the shortest of breaks possible before changing things up. They move from training in one spot to fighting each other on the move, with the Xenos and Fels as supporters (using the extra empty backpacks for drop items and magic stones).

· They fight each other all the way to the boss room on the 37th floor then Bell solos Udaeus. He could have finished it quickly with Argo Vesta but dragged it out to get the sword drop (the full 6m long version, not a shard)

· They then fight their way back up through the floors and when the reach the water capital Amphisbaena shows up. Bell uses the black sword to slice off both heads at once, grabs the drop items and then keeps going

· They keep fighting up to floor 20, then he splits with the Xenos. Fels keeps working as supporter up to the surface (since it's the middle of the night). They part ways and Bell heads home

· While they’re on their way back Goliath shows up, so Bell bisects him with the big sword too, bringing his solo-boss count to 3

· Hestia is asleep alone waiting for him in the living room, so he wakes her up. She freaks out about him being gone and bursts into tears.

· She then updates his status, tells him he ranked up and gained a new skill. One similar to the Slayer skill but that isn’t limited to just monsters. One that boosts his abilities based on the strength of his opponent and stacks the boost for each additional opponent. Effectively making him completely overpowered when taking on impossible odds, such as a monster party or all of an entire Familia at once

· He then thanks Hestia, tells her everything will be OK, leaves and runs straight out of Orario and to the place where the wargame is to happen. Arriving not long before it starts, he tells everyone that he plans to face Freya familia alone.

· After hearing the story everyone is naturally shocked. Lily and Hestia, both in tears, yell at Bell for risking his life so badly and making them all worry while everyone else watches.

· Ais is sitting off to the side silent and lost in thought, remembering the look on Bell’s face as she broke his heart, the incredible lengths he went through to get stronger, realising that he was now so far ahead of her that she will never be able to catch up, and trying to understand her own feelings. There's some further discussions after this

· Then in the epilogue it's an internal monologue from Freya about how she’s made one mistake after another and how everything has fallen down around her, and ends with her walking into one of the sound-proof rooms at the Guild to face Bell, while a crowd of their Familia members and the general public wait outside. The outcome of their talk and the fallout from the wargame (and the Ais/Bell arc) would then be in book 19.

Anyway, I know I've completely overthought all of that but I can't really help it. Of those 2 options I think the first is probably closest to what would happen, but I'm hoping for something like the second. I want to see Bell stand out on top of everyone as the strongest, and for everyone to realise he's the hero of the age. And yes, I know the chances of Asterios agreeing to train with Bell is close to zero, but it would still be cool. An evenly matched battle that comes down to a very close win is more in line with the rest of the Danmachi, which is exactly why I think changing it up with a one-sided thumping that blind-sides everyone would be a good change.

I also considered what kind of skill or spell Bell could gain that could give him the edge against Ottar. He could have gained a new enchantment-type spell, maybe something like ‘Ignite Vesta’ that would cover him in flames and give him a big boost in strength and speed, but I figured it was too close to what both Ais and Bete can do with magic. It seems more in line with who Bell is that he’d get a boost skill, especially if it is named after a hero. Like he already has ‘Heroic Desire: Argonaut’, named after the first hero, so it wouldn’t would be a stretch for him to get something like ‘Heroic Conquest: Waldstein’, named after the greatest hero. One to turn the tables in battle and one to allow him to face and overcome impossible odds in battle.

I also think Bell will find out about Zeus in book 19 after the wargame, and that he, Hestia, Hermes and Asfi will go on a trip to see him. I also think they’ll take Lyuu with them since they’ll be (hopefully) heading close to where Astrea lives and then she’ll rank up to level 5 and transfer into Hestia Familia. And also at some point in 19 or 20 I think Bell will save Loki Familia from an enhanced/irregular in the dungeon (and likely hit level 7). One too strong even for them to face. And then Ais would finally see Bell as the hero she’s been longing for.

What are your thoughts on this?

I think Finn's Tir na Nog is on the same tier as whatever Allen's super strong one-hit magic turns out to be. I think Ottar would have to fully defend against Tir na Nog just like he would for Allen's magic otherwise he would die.

Can't escape when Ottar's attacking him and can't do anything if his enemy isn't a Minotaur. Now what Bell's going to do since these useless skill and ability will not work against Freya familia?

Zald said that he was beaten up by Ottar and Finn.

We were told that even the weakest of Zeus familia could one-hit defeat level 3 Ottar (which I honestly think isn't that easy, even if you are a level 4).

I know Ottar at the time was more than likely over level 3, but it raises me a question and I kind of came up with speculation.

What if the reason why Oomori made sure to put this info in the game, which wouldn't really make sense, since their many other adventurers that could beat him up, like Riveria and Gareth, is because Bell's father fought against both Finn and Ottar, somehow at the same time, or the fights happened very close to one another?

What I'm suggesting is simple: what if Bell's father actually tried to fight against Loki and Freya familia when they were getting expelled? And then he ended up fighting Ottar and Finn? I mean, it wouldn't be that strange. At that time he had a son and a woman he loved. Could see him not being exactly happy of them being expelled just because.

Though this does raise another question: WHEN THE FUCK DID BELL'S PARENTS DIED???!!!!!!

At least, it makes sense to me...

When it comes to adventurers, there are two primary groups: Fighters and Mages.

The average adventurer's highest stat is usually between 500 and 700 before they level up. When it comes to stats that aren't magic, mages are usually well below this 500 to 700 range.

As it stands, the physical combat stats of mages is comparable to the stats of average fighters who are one level below them. This allows for a fighter of one level lower to defeat a mage as long as the mage isn't allowed to use magic. The simplest example of this is that Lefiya had to be level 3 before she could fight a minotaur despite it being a level 2 monster.

Now compare Bell to the average (or even slightly above average) adventurer. The average adventurer's stats basically makes them look like a mage when compared to Bell's stats.

The comparisons go as follows: a mage (without using magic) of level (x) is comparable to an average adventurer of level (x-1) which is comparable to Bell of level (x-2).

This rule wouldn't apply to abnormal adventurers.

As I see it, a max level 6 Bell will not stand a chance against the current Ottar because Bell's stats were never much better than Ottar's stats to begin with. Only in agility would Bell be competitive. I see Bell having to be level 7 before he can hope to best the King.

The current level 4 Bell would lose against a mage like Riveria because she actually has good stats for a mage.

*These comparisons rely on the premise that Ottar and Riveria had somewhat similar stats as they have now for their previous level ups.

Mathematically speaking, this effect would only get more severe at higher levels. The weak get comparatively weaker while the strong get comparatively stronger. But that requires a more nuanced look into the stats than what I'm talking about here.

As a final aside, I am also implying that Ottar or someone like him could also overcome a level gap given the right situation. I don't see this being limited to Bell. It would just be exceedingly rare for a multitude of reasons.

I have the feeling that if Bell and Ottar fight, which I think is very likely to happen, then it will be like the fight between Zald and Ottar in Astrea Records, with Ottar being the former and Bell being the latter. This idea is suported mainly by the thought that Bell's heritage (him being the last survivor of the Zeus and Hera familia) is revealed, which seriously, I can't think of any better arc than this one for this to be revealed to the world, and the extra story of Astrea Records where Zald and Alfia say that if Bell were to be part of the fight against the OEBD, then they wished that the heroes that they were about to create would guide him. I can easily see Ottar decide to use his fight with Bell to test him. Either lose, join my familia and I will train you, or win and surpass me and carry the legacy of the ones before you. I have a really big feeling that this would happen since Oomori already said that Astrea Records was a great source of inspiration for vol 16 and 17.

We know Ottar (Boaz) and Bete (Werewolf) can beastify, but does that apply to everyone of their species? What about other races of demi humans? Are the effects of beastification stronger on some races than others?

Here are the races I think don't beastify:

Cat People, Chienthrope, Cow, Hume Bunny, Renard, and Sheep

Here are the races I think do beastify:

Werewolf (pretty sure it's confirmed that all Werewolves can beastify) and Weretiger

Here are the races I could see depending on the individual:

Raccoon and Boaz

Maybe it's my own bias, but I think a Weretiger's beastification should be greater than a Werewolf's beastification. I have no idea where to put Boaz on that scale. Raccoon would probably be the weakest.

Yes the title pretty much says it and I mean it seriously.

Ottar was able to defeat Zard a lvl 7 that has the power of a lvl 8 as lvl 6. So Ottar defeated someone who was technicly two lvl 2s above him but has problems against balor which is probably just a lvl 8 monster rex. How does that make sense?

Ottar is now in the Story a max lvl 7, who can beastify himself to strengthen himself even more and has an OP short chant magic. How can he not lvl up. The Balor shouldnt be that difficult to defeat when he defeated someone who was most likely even stronger then that Monster.

Seriously the entire Series is getting more plot holes after another since the 3rd Anni Event. It doesnt make sense that Ottar isnt able to defeat Balor which has is roughly at the same strenght lvl of Zard when he defeat Zard when he was even weaker then now.

So personally i feel like this would be one way for bell to go about trying to deal with ottarl.

If ais is capable of imagining people as monsters to activate avenger,

Can bell imagine ottarl as asterius to activate ox slayer?

Also, does ox slayer work on base abilities or development abilities as well?

This is getting confusing. if bell ends up fighting ottarl in the next volume, then he will probably level up. in case he joins freya familia, training with ottarl and hedin or hogni or allen can serve as a wall to overcome that gives him his next level up. with ottarl and his argonaut skill, overcoming udaeus and balor is possible for him. this will actually help in replacing his hestia knife which won't work if he joins freya familia(you know, udaeus dropsword).

And ottarl and asterius serving as walls to overcome for the next level up.

I know there are a lot of errors in this headcannon and lots of problems because i have ignored the finer details, but this is one potential route i can think of to avoid the problem of bell being underleveled.

So something has been bugging me and I wanted a clarification of sorts. In the battle against the Goliath on the 18th floor it is said that Bell takes the Limit Off of his Argonaut skill and is able to charge it beyond its limit to deal the final blow. I read this in the LN synopsis and it is mentioned in the anime as well. It happens because of his overwhelming feelings to protect everyone, be recognized by Ais and be a Hero. So as far as I know that is the only time we have seen that happen, unless that is also how he beat the dragon in SO LN12.

So when he takes the limit off of Argonaut how powerful can Bell actually become? Cause to me it sounds like a Level 5 Bell could potentially critically damage Ottarl if he took the limit off of his Argonaut skill and used it on Ottarl.

Please correct me if I'm wrong and share your thoughts about it.