Zeus Familia

In Danmachi, at least as far as the main series is concerned, there are no longer any antagonists. Who must Bell and company defeat? Who will be the adversaries for his new friends from the Freya family? OEBD? This will serve as the final boss of the franchise but not at all as an antagonist for intermediate arcs.

In any shonen (Bleach, Naruto, Saint Seiya, etc.) there are always adversaries that the protagonists must defeat. Can you write a shonen without them? But in DanMachi, generating antagonists is a big problem, as a consequence of the level system and the need for the dungeon for this one; power is a very exclusive privilege, I would say much more exclusive than what suits the plot.

The impossibility of generating antagonists has already created some argumentative problems, for example: the reuse of ideas to provide Bell with adversaries, such as the Juggernaut Xenos, which is a bad copy of Asterius (a monster that Bell defeated and revived for the second round).

Also, the practically zero opportunity to have diverse adventures when you have a high level, for example: Leon said he wanted to go on an adventure with Bell, but what could they do? Train? Explore the lower floors or the first deep floors? Those would be mere trivialities for them, so what could they do that would be interesting...?

I was reading Astrea Record and there was one circumstance that caught my attention, namely: when Ottar explained to the war council that Evilus had a warrior who was at least level 6 and they were surprised, Finn said that it was not something so unusual, given that in the times of Zeus and Hera there were multiple families whose captains were level 6, even level 7.

This might not mean anything transcendental, but I also see a principle of opportunity there, because Omori was deliberately ambiguous regarding the final fate of these families; he could have said: "the Zeus and Hera families totally annihilated them" or "they perished against the dragon", but no, he left it up in the air what happened to them, which opens up possibilities.

Would it be a monumental plot convenience to use them in the precent? In my opinion not at all, what seems to me to be a gigantic plot convenience is that in all of Orario there are only 2 strong families, abysmally superior to the rest. Orario is the center of the world and the dungeon is available to everyone, so does it really make sense that out of all the migrants in the world, only those with the falnas of Loki or Freya can reach level 6 or higher?

The scenario that I see most coherent is that described for the generation of Zeus and Hera, where, yes, there were 2 families that stood out above the others, but they had rivals who, having the same opportunities as them, also prospered.

In conclusion, this is one of the best possibilities I see to fill the need for antagonists for the main series, do you like it? Do you not like it and would prefer other different antagonists? Are you happy with just the dungeon for everyone? Let me know what you think about it!

I'm going to hope there will be a DanMachi Prelude.

Wouldn't the high levels reached by the Z&H families be due to having completed two of the great quests? If not, then at the very least Zald and Alfia would be able to reach level 8. What do you think?

This has been bothering me since the author revealed the levels of the adventurers that fought against the dragon and lost. One of them was a level 9,

Now monsters are assigned a level by the guild that indicates the minimum level you would have to be to defeat the monster on your own easily, if I remember correctly.

So considering the failure of the Zeus and Hera Familias to subdue it and how badly it was implied that they lost. What level do you think the dragon would actually be under the guild's rating system?

Also, given the author's statement that the whole story is supposed to take place over the course of a single year in universe because supposedly he does not want Bell to age for whatever reason, Do you think Bell will actually be strong enough to defeat the dragon or do you think that this is something that might be left for a possible sequel series?

Zald said that he was beaten up by Ottar and Finn.

We were told that even the weakest of Zeus familia could one-hit defeat level 3 Ottar (which I honestly think isn't that easy, even if you are a level 4).

I know Ottar at the time was more than likely over level 3, but it raises me a question and I kind of came up with speculation.

What if the reason why Oomori made sure to put this info in the game, which wouldn't really make sense, since their many other adventurers that could beat him up, like Riveria and Gareth, is because Bell's father fought against both Finn and Ottar, somehow at the same time, or the fights happened very close to one another?

What I'm suggesting is simple: what if Bell's father actually tried to fight against Loki and Freya familia when they were getting expelled? And then he ended up fighting Ottar and Finn? I mean, it wouldn't be that strange. At that time he had a son and a woman he loved. Could see him not being exactly happy of them being expelled just because.

Though this does raise another question: WHEN THE FUCK DID BELL'S PARENTS DIED???!!!!!!

Could it be that he didn't want to be an adventurer? Maybe he was like Riveria. He wanted to see the world, experience all kinds of things, woman would definitely be included in that. Maybe went to Orario for the sole sake of seeing how it was like, as the center of the world. Then, after some occasion (not going to say which because that is beyond just guessing) he met with Zeus, the God asked if he wanted to join his familia and see the Dungeon, he said no and that he had no intention of risking his life to experience the unknown, much less when there was still much unknown to be seen in the surface (would explain why he ran at the first sign of danger), Zeus made an offer where he wouldn't be really risking his life, he accepted and join his familia. I mean, I'm really not seeing how a coward could become a level 4. I mean, you could say that he is like Raul, but apparently, we were told that even the weakest member of the Zeus familia could one-hit finnish level 3 Ottar, which I doubt Raul could. The vision that we have of Bell's father came from Zald, but that guy lived on the battlefield, so a person that didn't want to risk his life wouldn't exactly have a good image in his eyes. I can see Bell's father as someone that likes to enjoy life, clinging to that very life, and going beyond when that was asked of him.

Of course, this is just a theory.

I have been going around on this in my brain and I really can't find an actual answer. Just how much time do you think was between OEBD fight and Zeus and Hera being kicked out? I wouldn't be questioning this if it wasn't for Bell. The guy had to have been born sometime around their defeat, and that assuming that the entire deal with the quests took them about a year, otherwise I can't really see them not knowing that Myrtella was pregnant, and he had to be breastfeed for a while, that giving time for his father to get himself killed because I really doubt he went to fight against the OEBD. And I am pretty sure that if Loki and Freya heard about their defeat in a minute, they would kick them out in the other, those ladies just fucking hated them. So.... how exactly do you think that this worked? My guess is that getting back to Orario took Alfia and Zald about a month, and at the beginning of that month Bell was born.

Also: WHO THE F*** BREAST-FEED BELL?!! BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY A MONTH IS ENOUGH.

Spoilers alert.

So in light novel, vol 16 cap 05. Its explain that Albert Waldestein was the last Heroe in history for repelling the Black Dragon (taking his eye in exchange of his life), it also state that Albert fought that battle alone, and was after that the gods come to our world (1000 years ago).

But Hermes and all the intro in the series said that Zeus and Hera familia were the ones that fought the Black dragon and lost.

So, the dragon has been fought twice?, Albert is Aiz father?, and Albert didnt had a Falna?

That is something that can to my mind recently.

We know that Monsters are able to use Howl. Like it was shown in the Anime and LN Asterius uses it to prevent unworthy opponents fighting him. Howl lets unworthy opponents lose there will to fight or even knock them unconscious.

Who we now come to my question. When Asterius is able to use that then the three grand beasts are as well able to use. Which would mean that every one who is clearly much weaker then them should be alive because it doesnt bring anything to bring people who would be clearly unable to fight these Monster to battle against them even as supporters because they will flee or knocked out because of that.

Doesnt that mean that Bells Father should be alive and still kicking ass as well as the others members of Zeus and Hera? Lvl 4s and as well lvl 5s clearly arent able to fight things which are multiple lvl higher then them.