All posts by Pluton9
A weakened stat remain weakened being temporar or not it's still it as long the retirement weakness wasn't corrected, even with Mia correcting this issue during the fight it's still wasn't done fast enough to do it before Hedin join meaning it has take a signifiant portion of the fight.
Once again I never said that, I only said Anya isn't counted in Freya Familia narrative rule because she was expelled & will repeat your classment isn't exhaustif. Beside didn't you just confirmed that retirement effectivly weaken adventure ?
So your only argument is Anya not at the top of level 4 because Ryuu is the best ? I though I already said exception can exist (I think have already said it isn't an universal rule) so in the case we class Bell & Ryuu as exception how did to the rule work ? A yes we have we return to apllication.
Even back in 2017 when FC Ryuu was realise it was doubtious that Raul with his C stat at 2410 Point could have the upper hand in a fight against Lunor 2678 point or Chloe 2562 points with each having some stat at B.
Lunor has already fight the gulliver before she know their methode as well & it doesn't helped her in the slightest ways. Did you remember that Any was against the Level 6 Allen, not the level 5 Guiliver ? You know the guy who have defeat every one on this battlefield Lunor & Chloe included.
I think they is a missunderstand my judgement on Raul is fair when you campare to what has been Chloe rank up feat, Chloe, Not Anya !
Not really it's just that Aki has already rank up so I put her in another classement but I would still complain if you ranked her higher than Level Boosted Aisha (except if Aki got a skill or magic). As for sending Aisha against Alfrigg I won't judgement their coalition was short of man power at that time & they can just have pick up who was the closer after the explosion. Beside follow that Logic Anya is the strongest of their team because she was send to fight a Level 6.
I don't omit about we have simply already covered this sujet in previous texte (psycological exhaustion, batlle royal fight,etc...) so why would I repeat when neither you nor me can do more than theorize about the reason of Van victory against Bell ?
Best score sur why not but the issue is that no one on your classement has defeated Bell beside Ryuu meanwhile Van has win more than once making him the best default because 1% victory rate is better than 0 %.
Level speed isn't a talent indactor, At that count Raul who has rank up at the same time as Aki for nearly all their rank up must be close in talent which in his case mean none because Raul is just your average guy. The level up speed is only an indicator at how effective their Familia methode are.
Well, that's what Phryne thinks, while the narration is clear: Ais would lose if their fight drags into the attrition realm which is basically the same scenario that Bell against moss huge except that Ais final move is sealed. Considering that's a skill who require a full moon who only happen a night per month & is completly useless if you are at the exterior or if the sky is cloudy meaning that around 98% of the time Bete can't use it you must said when it's active precisly so there is no confusion with base Bete. You know that MS 18 clarified Beastification give nearly the same amount of buff that Haruhime magic ? Additionnally Bete admitted Ottar beastification isn't weaker than his own & even Ais admit she would lose if Bete used it.
Have you never think Phryne slower rate can also be the consequence of abusing Level Boost ? Also being much older isn't a good attribut for comparison most people aren't Tione & Tiona Falna & killing monster since birth, if you don't remember except Ottar, Mia & the Loki trio no adventurers has more than 15 years of experience in Orario.
You know that if they died Freya familia is disqualified by the rule & the Faction Allience win ? We see him do the same thing while training Ais blow enough to kill but still dodgeable.Even after using his bestiality he just knock them in the ground & stays in place, you won't say he didn't have all the time he needed to kill at least 1 of them when he literally has let Hedin do this motivational speech.
You said that but Revis is technically more monster than human at least avengers class her as monster beside Bete who is a more duel focus than Ais also lose his cool & directly charging at them completly forgetting Revis has already able to trash him when she was weaker & the rest of their squad weren't exactly better each of them got distracted by Finn defeat & would been unable to reorganise if it were for Raul emotionnal support.
Question why the Gulliver wouldn't be anxiouss when the situation worsten with each instant passing instant in nearly no time to process ? The debuff, the smoke, their connection interrupted, the gravitational cage, the impostor, the explosion, the 2nd debuff & the level boosted adversar they must fight right after tanking all of that. Give they a break, staying cool & calculating in all circumstances is the job of the strategist, no of Warrior & even that is questionable when you have Finn and his moment of hesitation against Revis leading to the worst possible outcome
That can only be confirmed once we have Alfrigg status card, I don't think it's really a plot convenience, nothing except Welf could have stop Allen chanting so the girl intervention wouldn't have made a difference.
He did the right thing by rejecting Syr, Bell is too kind & honest to start a relationship with a girl while he's still chasing after Ais.
But maybe his methode of rejection could have been better. I mean he just rejected her, let her go alone while he is too busy being deject by himself & MS 17 happen. It makes wonder what would have happened if Bell hadn't let her go & had fully expressed his feelings until Syr realized just how much Bell is also broken by this decision.
Member it wasn't just Ottar was said that about Mia, Hedin & if Mia use the empty periode excuse that still technically count as a form an admission that presently she isn't at her best.
What do you want me to say? We already saw the result in the fight against Bringar, Anya was the only one still able to fight during this time Chloe and Lunor were KO, this is enough to demonstrate that she is the strongest of their group after Ryuu
You forget that we haven't see the result of that battle on the boat & also they have fighting on their side the Level 6 Ais.
Are you trying to implied Raul would have been able to put a similar fight against Ryuu or last longer than Chloe or Lunar ? Have forget Bete was beastified ? I hope I doesn't need to explain why a Psudo level 7 not instant defeat a Level 6 is a testamet of that Level 6 strengh again !
Your reasoning is equaly strange, your are assuming because she can keep a high degre of performance mean she hasn't weakened by any mean compared to when she was full time exercising. The bare minimum if you want to affirm that is to compare the current Anya with her Folkvangr self.
Putting below a 2nd rate fighter like Raul doesn't fit their backstory of self surviving or defeating opponent of higer level than herself when Raul failed to do the same with Valetta
We aren't discussing about possible retcon, especially not when it's a character (Ottar) statement & not the narration everyone can lied to avoid making a situation more troublesome.
At no point I said there were no exception, to be more precis is just doesn't aborded the subject & avoid making those kind statement for the simple reason we have Bell literally winning the 1st of Baptism which by himself make him an exception.
Once again we are talking ofcomabt strengh at a certain level not character progession & following you little classement at level
Raul <Aki < Aisha/Falgar < I0 stat Bell < Ryuu
If Van has managed to secure at least a victory against Bell you can't make him below than Aki when she is already below Aisha & Falgar, especially we can't even said if she could win against Asfi with her magic item.
I accepted this statement for Mia only because Hedin said the same, when you have only have subjective opinion having multiple source is always better to asses their validity. That's why I can't give more credibility to Valleta.
I said Tsubaki wasn't worst than them, not better ! I really want to know your reasing to arrive at that interpretation. Didn't the narration said Phryne would win if the battle evolve into attrition War ? & For once whe see how Ais do without her level boost magic I won't complain. BEte isn't an argument & why you are always avoiding to write he was using his beastifiaction ?
Are you talking about the 1st Hildis vini that was used to neutralize Bell Argonaut or the 2nd that was revealed to have his power split ? Have you read Naruto? There is a panel in the Madara-Hashirama flashback that clearly states that even the most experienced ninja would waver if they closed one are killed in front of them, Alfrigg being the eldest of the siblings put has himself in a similar position.
Ais is 16 & has bartake in many war Dark Era included were she has cute the hand of several member of Evilus at that she can not longer be considered child.
There is an reasonable explaination for Alfrigg case you just have to read about his personnality, he simply go berserk which enter in the tv trop categories of thing that give renewed strength & determination.
There is probably a tacite rule to limite fighting people of lower level than themself or something.
Even if the lower member don't deal, they have the highest number of healer in Orario so Heith will avoid the worst outcome.
Who loves well, chastises well, This seems to be the logic used to decide who is the Bell teacher, at least most girls follow this principle but from Ryuu & Ais reaction it seems they also consider training as a forme of date.
Is the situation really better ?
Now Freya Familia is part of Hestia Familia & Bell is asking to be train by Hedin, he even got an harsh beating that nearly killed him the time Ryuu involved in their training.
Evilus is certainly partly responsible, but the fact a Hero fails to kill a legendary monster & is now buried in shame as a result is what happened with Epimeteus.
If you take into account that Zeus & Hera were the gathering of the greatest heroes of the current Era & still hold that title 15 years later, there are objective reasons to despair, a hero failure can be attributed to the individual when it's a gathering it directly damage the concept of Hero.
Did you know that fighting is related to physical activity while school is related to the mind ? Physically things have a bad tendency to dull over time when they are not maintained properly, even if you keep your technique, it is natural that there is a difference between constant training and occasional training. Beside Hedin & even Ottar confirmed Mia wasn't at her best so don't know why you think Anya is in better shap than her ? If anything Anya shap is better she is the only waitress who occasionally partake in Ryu training being decribed as being to competive.
Have you at least asked yourself where did you rank Anya in all of that ? Because neither Chloe nor Lunoir were pushed over during their fight against Ryuu & Anya wasn't any worse against Chloe while having being exposed at the same sleep drug as Ryuu.
I don't remember having called this rule universal, not it change My statement considering Loki Familia in general, it just don'tt change the fact they specialise in team fight while Freya is duel give a resonnable explaination while at the same level they would be better in a 1 vs 1 situation when they can't relied on no one else but themself especially for the Loki Trio who are now level 7 so they have to be compared to Ottar. Strangelly I though Riveria declaration would be counted as an evidence ?
Didn't you said yourself Tsubaki wasn't worst than Loki exective (the trio is probably exluded) during the 59th Floor expedition ? You also said she beat Phryne who for all I know is a dediacted warrior. So while Level boosted she is better than high level 6 Phryne who is a warrior, do we agree ?
Because you call that a defeated ? Bell was exhausted Mia & Ryuu are out off fight while Hedin got is 1st mind own in years meanwhile Ottar bend a knee & accepted to take a 5 minutes rest so Bell save Freya, I don't call that a defeat & neither the narration of the MS 18 SS focusing on Ottar did, at best you can all it a draw & this would still be doubtful because Ottar was restain by Freya's directives.
At this point, any moment a villain knocks the hero on the ground for 30 seconds would also be considered a partial victory, even when the hero gets up with renewed resolve, strength, courage & ended up defeating the villain. What do you want me to say ? They are still people not freaking robot it's only natural a big brother like Alfrigg is disturbed when his younger brothers are take down, Ais wasn't in any better mental shap when Revis come claiming to have defeated Finn & throwed the broke piece of his spear as prove in SO 6. I am pretty sure all the gulliver were still under the effect on Anya magic so Alfrigg was effectivly in a weakened stat.
You know that the times they decided the vice-captain happened after Hogni got the Falna? That basically means whatever he got from it till that point on wasn't enough to be considered stronger by Hedin, even worse this election happened when Anya was still an active member meaning Allen magic hasn't awaken yet.
At the end of the days, the judgement was left to Hedin, no less, no more.
Good summary of Hogni's condition but you forget that Hogni wasn't alonein this fight he has the support of the level boosted Anya who was a source of exploitable internal turmoy on Allen. & Honestly it's was more epic to see Hogni voicing his own feeling trying to fix their family while battling his own self esteem issue.
Yep but there is a foundamental difference between them, Ottar is a boar who fight, Bell is a rabbit who run away it give the principal idea, you don't ask why a boxer who has approximatly the same speed as Usain Bolt can't catch him during a marraton when he can effortless punch him on the ring, their technics respective are base on different principel. You misunderstand something at that point of the fight Bell was actually trying to land a blow on Ottar not running away which mean he needed to stay close enough to act before Ottar rebuild his absolute defense.
I have no more to said, maybe there were better way to explain it but I think I've cover all the points.
It don’t change much Falna isn’t an equalizer & if Higni was stronger than Hedin at that moments he too would be recommended for the seat of vice captain it’s not like that title have much value when the brain of this familia is Hedin.
By weaker they doesn’t talk of power nor skill but about Allen spirit & resolve awho have weakened since he banished Anya.
We don’t see the fight nor how they ended, only the after match & judging only by the face isn’t correct when you can hide a lot of injury behind your clothes.
Much lesser extent ? I doubt Anya magic is maybe not a full level down in stats but it’s close with additional weakening for DA, skill & magics while Hogni was really exhausted but everything else work perfectly.
Put that into perspective the gap between Bell & Ottar wasn’t that high compared to what Hogni has to deal with Allen. Why Ottar wouldn’t ? Firstly because Bell was still the faster one albeit by paper thin margin, Ottar is a fighter not a runner & even Bell whose specialty is running away needed his DA to escape base Allen. Also Ryuu & Mia only hold Ottar for like half of the 1 minute charge Grand Bell Punch Bell deliver meaning Bell was able to stay on his own for dozens of seconds before their intervention.
Would be better to have directly the resume complet on the AR page but we do with what we have.
And you are abusing Omori world by using a tweet about Falgar as power scale as a classement of the strongest level 4 in the show.
I already said all my point about Anya exclusion from Freya Familia so I won’t repeat myself nor the obvious exclusion of Bell & all FF members from that classements.
Even in the case I accepted the possibility they are exception to this rule I would obviously being only at scale of individual not entire especially not Loki Familia who specializes in team fight not duel (just look at classement Raul is their weakest while Aki is their top & they fall behind Hermes Familia combat specialise members.
If we follow your logic than Ryuu is the strongest, Anya & the girl aren’t fat behind her (at least as much as the league gap spearing Ryuu from Falgar but it let to the obvious question were would be placed Van ? Considering that even the newbie has better combat power than Aisha it place it would still place Van in the >>>>> gap so In conclusion, Loki Familia is effectively not an exception to the rule.
So I made a all liste of reason Hedin beat Riveria & all you retake is the combat skill ? Beside what partial defeat ? it was just a good hit on a debuff Alfrigg while he was perturbed by his brother defeat, only to see him rise up like a bloody asura & block 4 level 5 by himself before everyone was take down by Allen rampage.
Because Hogni kicking Tsubaki ass wasn’t enough tho display Freya superiority ? You know he has still pull something to make the Alliance win ?
Maybe you can give an idea of which of the Trio fight who ?
Because you think I am firmly defending Freya ? Even if it really look like that I actually doesn’t care about that stupid debate of who is currently the strongest debat, Loki supposed advantage won’t even last half a
Year & Omori has let go of every possible opportunity of infighting between Loki & Freya, from me it’s not different than saying Vegeta was stronger than Goku for x months before be overclass again without having them fight a single time.
My situation his more about defending Bell against the argument he is now equal to his current level which kind of push me to defend Freya superiority by default. Because If we start following that Logic you will put start MS 18 Bell on par with Aki which would pose a serious problem with the point system because a character who is as a high level 4 was still weaker than newbie level 4 Bell was now equal despite the massive status gap existing.
So no choice either defend Van combat superiority or find excuses to justified Bell defeats & I don’t like excuses.
That doesn’t exactly help because Hedin & Hogni are equivalent & Hedin pride doesn’t allow him to be above someone stronger than him so find yourself the reason this elf king give the seat to Allen.
It still a compensation from combat techni not from Ottar beastified speed maybe the fact he easily closed the distance with this Bell while not using is magic something a base form Ottar won’t be able to do. Remember the text from Ryuu & Bell fighting Ottar ? It was basically the number of blow you can inflict doesn’t matter if you can’t even leave a scratch, additionally Allen is lacking in the strength stat & Ottar absolute defense can even block Allen using his magic.
Actually the level 5 Allen perceived & has reacted to Zald move but it was too late to dodge, it didn’t help that Zald is faster than Allen.
Didn't you do the same by considering it's a classification list of all level Level ? Let see defeat 2 of your level + 20 who are lower level than them, I don't call weak but not really an exceptionnal result especially with 3 level 4 nearly as strong as Ryuu.
Have you read this scene ? It was a heroic act not a fight & you really must start to understand the difference between duel & battle royal, The Berbare were literally using themself to take down opponents stronger than them, why do you think both sides ended up annihilated. The mere fact that it become a rank-up feat spoke volumes about the power gap between them & the Einherjar.
Do you really want to make the list of Hedin action during this War Game ? That elf king was basically the MVP that return the all situation by himslelf taking the down Andhrímnir, assissting at elimiating the center wing, doing the same with the Wing facing the Berbera, making Hogni switch side & send him against Allen, covering Any so she can cast her magic, while saving Bell, Ryuu & Mia from Ottar hindis vini, that elf king as done really a lot in this War Game before joining this fight & literally sacrifice himslef & was literally put out of the fight by the cost of using his 3rd meanwhile Mia didn't really fight anyone other than Ottar & lasted only a few minute after him. So yeah Hedin as being ruthlessly efficient.
Remember Haruhime has recast this spell several time & replenshing her mind using potion, what part of Crozzo Magic Sword support as saved Aisha from defeat several time & The bringer weren't even fighting seriously before Anya cast her magic was difficult to understand ?
Okay now you are confusing combat skill with fighting capacity, let see Raul was mentionned as a 2nd rate combattant & in the same list you mention he is ranked weakess even compared to the newbie level 4 like Aisha & Falgare so yeah adventurer with a higher level but lower combat skill than another exist & contrary to Bell they didn't have the excuse of lacking experiences.
Of course value stat & forced to constat their was a big difference in the fight between Beastified Bete against the High level 6 Phryne & against Allen.
Avoid speculating that neither came just because Omori didn’t show us the fight
Beside we have Ais confirmation Allen his a least as skilled with his spear than Ais his we her sword & we see what happened to a non beasstified Bete when they fight in SO 13 side story.
Reconfiguration case don't start with this retroactive continuity sorry excuse & I have a basis too it's called the timeline, It's as not arbitrary as Bell being level 3 in the prologue of volume 7 even when the confirmed come later in chapter 1, you are your level even without confirmation, if the Loki Trio rank up right after SO 12 events by the power of the timeline they are level 7 since then point. Rather than trusting Ottar it's more admitting how impossible it would be to win if they can't deal with Ottar especially when Allen rampaging must also be counted with the worst case scenario of the 2 collaboring.
If you to said Hedin was unaware of their rank up that still pose a problem because it was Finn himself who feared the possibility of Freya Familia improving her ability to fight as a team in this discussion.
So cute Ottar is nostalgic of Zeus & Hera time because no one in Orario is a real threat to him & has ironically teached to Bell the exact kind of experience he noted was lacking for those of Ais generation.
You are asking for evidence from MS were only the Loki family executives & lately Lefiya were named ? They are as well the representative of the entire familia, especially considering the Loki family is hot-tempered, remember they literally try to purchase Bell for the 18th floor incident while being poisonned raising from their bed like a horde of zombie horde, So clearly it's not just the junior executives who are hotheads especially when even Gareth won't try stopping them.
So you confirme the other guiliver were carreless
Wasn't it writed on the Falna page that "the improvement granted is proportional rather than put everyone at the same level."? Also it's a statment was from Valletta trusting a subjective opinion is your chose.
Asterius is a power type monster in addition of being a Level 7 beside we aren't talking low level 7 vs low Level 6 but high level 6 who has more mind reserve, range, far quicker casting, better combat technic, Previous level higher than her for all execpt magic, most of his DA are higher, a better pre Falna base & so one.
Looking at the future based on present infor is the role of a commander, Didn't said he has made a 30 years plan about Loki Familia.
Yeah but you forgetted that little quote
the only reason why Bell and the others were barely able to compete, and they were able to transform into battle, was thanks to Mia.
An absolute vanguard who can take on Otta, if Mia's vanguard shield falls, they will be defeated immediately.
so Ottart has to find a way to take down Mia while also respecting Freya order to not kill which he do by split the power used in two.
3) Considering the ways to break the absolute defense was to force Ottar to make more decision, the most important aspect is similiar to like boxing it's better to pull more blow that can do something than great punch something Riveria can't do.
The thing is that Ottar has control over his beastication if you try to play the attrition War Ottar will just resert & rebuild the absolute defense once again.
4) You really love that line even when the number of case who betray it has only increase over the year.
Simply answer it actually make clear how much you can pull or take before dying Especially the character has stats close to Riveria than Gareth.
Who know for Tiona she was literally only but for what i remember she only win by paper margin so the sentence you are referring would be greatly appreciated
It's true but they are limite to how long you can maintaint this kind of battle perception which isn't help by the cursed weapon who eat his stamina. From what was show of Freya Familia training in AR, Allen seems to have lasted longer than Hogni.
I wasn't talking about speed advantage in the sense that Bell was so much faster than Ottar that he could non stop attack Ottar him but more the slight speed advantage that gives Bell more opportunities to dodge Ottar's absolute offense. Ottar was still beastified & has S in agility so Allen being even far faster prove he deserve his title of fast of the city.
It's kind of the issue with power beyond your level there always something missing compared to the true thing, as for Allen it's stated he is so fast that those who aren't 1st tier adventuere can't perceive his movement & when his magic is used even Allen himself is unable to keep up with his own speed.
The most powerful attack is useless if it doesn't hit the target. Hogni also mentions that all of his magics are short ranged so it won't help. I think it was demonstrated for a difference in strengh not speed.
A super Boosted Bell haved the speed adventage against Ottar & Allen was still closing the distance with that same Bell before his DA Escape activate. the raction speed is a matter of perception & Allen Level 5 sense simply weren't enought to follow Zald speed who is at level 8.
When it's Bell & the narration who said the same thing it's a fact, don't maki like it was only mentionned in MS beside Loki Familia level up doesn't change this rule because they are not longer at the same level if your argument is but they progressed faster that was not the question.
Ottar didn't called his memory of Zeus & Hera an advantage but something the younger generation is lacking & from Ottar judgement Ais was overestimation her own skill when fighting people
7 from the 1st invasion + those who have died in the last battle, I don't call that a small portion, they have lose more than current total member of the Hestia Familia & do
Really you think it wouldn't have been better to not lose those guy in top of leveling up ? From Danmemo we see that Line had she survive would have drastically imporve her healing ability to the point even Airmid considered she is on par with her when it come of dispelling curse, do you seriously not call it wasted potential ? All for just a single step above that wont even last till the end of the years ?
Can you now list the remaining Familia ? Because if Loki & Freya are equal & are suppresing each other that mean the remaining Familia would be free to run arround without issue rather than being confirme at the gate door.
We are talking of Bell, his is so green he bartely grasping that & for Alfia wasn't the goal of her magic & equipement to constrain everything internally, even Vito noted he would have douted Alfia even existed if it wasn't seeing her with his own eyes.
As for the Gulliever they weren't paying attention considering it was just apate Familia old methode of give curse to drugged people again which given their are effectivly cursed wasn't a wrong assumtion additionnaly with just see Bell using a curse item to hide his himself in MS 19.
A public secret & a real secret are differents thing look at Knossos or the Xenos many more poeple have become aware of their existence but that made them public knowledge.
I have not issue because Riveria is a dediated mage while Hedin is a magic swordman who was already like a level 1 even without a Falna, They simple play in different categories it's just like asking who will win in close combat between Lefiya & Aisha meanwhile for Bell & Van they are more the dedicated Warrior type so of course their are to be something that counter Bell circumstance to give Van a victory & i am simply partisant of the skill theory because it suite the Freya Familia narrative.
So you are interpreting this as Finn agreeing with Loki ? From my perspective it was Loki boosting only for Finn to give her an the appropriate wake up call to prevent Loki from be overconfident which is in raccord with Loki personnality & this wake is that even her dreamed situation won't last long. Also in the same scene Finn expressed his worry about FF next action so clearly only Loki was thinking of them lightly.
You mean like when he used against Udeaus ? it used his magic to force Mia action & was even show later Ottar hasn't used all his power, I call that strategy nothing more.
When you said level 6 you talk about the level boosted or the status update Bell , because this fight has being a constant pwer increase so be precise.
Also Ottar didn't combine his magic with Beastification like he do against Zald.
1) They also have other ability the Trio doesn't have.
2) Bell & Ryuu already done that before & Hedin can predict their actions, the only real flaw come from him coordinating with Mia.
3) Yeah Ottar has also year of experience deal with an even more perfect teamwork than the trio while at the same time dealing with other absurdly powerfull guys. From AR his time last far longer than Ais time limite. additionnally Riveria can't reproduce Hedin formation.
4) Level boosting ability only confirmed when having high stats not low stats & isn't even able to allow him to rival Gareth strenght.
Let see firstly, the not killing rule from Freya which as the sole reason this batlle lasted this long & missed so many oppotunity to end them when Ottar in his base base is already enought to instant kill Ais with Ariel in a single blow which is still a better endurance than Riveria, the formation that Riveria can't replicated with the additionnal mention an all out magic attack would be the less optimal strategy she also need a minute to finisher her casting chant while Bell is instant & Ryuu and Hedin doesn't take more than 10 seconds with the fact she has her mind capacity is, the magic who was the perfect counter against Ottar absolute defense & the sole reason he didn't cancel his beatification & rebuild the absolut defense, plus the other innate difference between Ariel & Laurus hildr, Argonaut, the limit off, all of that combine + Luck on their side,
Combat technic & close stat aren't the only factor to decide a fight their respective race, magics, DA & skill also play their part. As for the fight to put it simply Hogni has the stronger attack but Allen run than a beastified Ottar.
Nah Omori has just listed a bunched of Level 4 in respond to a question regarding Falgar comabt strengh that all, plus he neither put Alicia & Bell were part of this list so it clearly wasn't made to be a exhaustive classification of every level 4 alive, additionnaly there is the possibility Van character has invented later like Alfia & Haruhime were so not reason to put on this list.
Anya has been expelled from Freya Familia, this narrative status only applied for the actual members not the retired adventurers who reconverted into maid, Hedin disappointed commentary about Mia empty periode prove the tall it put on someone fighting ability.
You mean the Aisha who directly got a level boost at the start of the fight ? I would like to actually see Aisha fighting without Level Boost for once, the last time she had a proper duel at her level was against Bell. Have you forget that Naaza was supporting Aisha with her Crozzo magic sword snipe it’s even mentioned the countless time she was saved by her. Additionally the Gulliver Brother weren’t even fighting seriously till Anya cast her magic.
Never see lost doesn’t mean their was no defeat just it wasn’t notified & that’s only if Commander Finn entered the battlefield which he has done quite rarely, of course no one see you lose when you mostly avoid fighting till your commander role isn’t needed anymore.
It’s not a reward for their effort it’s just the price they had to paid to take a step forward. That Loki familia progression methode is better isn’t the issue the fact they abandoned this methode to that step sooner is the problem. Their level up was paid with their member live which mean they have actually lost comba power to gain it making the overall result less than if they had take a few month longer to get those level up. Especially since this isn’t a combat technics increase but a Stats Boost.
That mean Bete actually need beastization just to be able fight Allen properly especially since everyone other night this fight would have be one sided, actually Bete inability to defeat Allen in a similar amount of time he used to so easily trash A level Boosted Phryne speak volume of the gap in combat ability. There is no post battle injuries because Omori has entirely skip the result this & obviously this battle didn’t lasted longer than Freya & Hestia short conversation for the War Game anyways.
You talk like there was only Loki when actually every were literally every Familia in Orario were attacking. If anything that inability of instant victory when every is on their side proves even with their level up they still aren’t equal.
Hedin didn’t said that because they have someone of higher level but because it’s Ottar that guy need the minimal equivalent of the strongest Half of Loki Familia excutive, a no killing rule pushed by Freya, a formation made to defeat him & a 1 minutes charged Firebolt under limit off just to force taking a 5 minutes rest. Beside you forget that not only people soul & status aren’t a secret for Freya but Adventure can also judge the size of other adventures vessel meanning that Finn & Loki Familia level up wasn’t an unknown factor & it was still if you join they have 50 % of winning.
In that case there is an obvious issue only Alfia can follow Bell in the over S stat territory so the constante increase in his stat for each level mean this tend is only made increase over each subsquence rank up. Following you own calculation
Bell has by at the begining of the War Game an excess stat of 92 + 89 (not final status will server as minimal) + 128 + 380 + 41 meaning even at the start of the War game in the strengh stat meaning a minimal of 730 point meanwhile the status update give hime another 180 point making it 911 in strenght meaning Tsubaki would needed to have reached status above S 982 to still be better than Bell & that's under the assumtioon neither defeating Hyakintos nor the status update Hestia has done by the time of MS chapter 2 have further increase Bell stat.
A wound is the equivalent of what Bell manage to do against Ais or Hedin he was at a lower level, it just confirme Tsubaki isn't near Hogni technical level meanwhile Bell has drastically evolved in every Area reaching the point he even sucesfully punch Ottar who is equal to Hogni in techics, beside Bell as still the option of spamming Firebolt till Tsubaki could no longer bear.
It make no sense but it's not like Bell was able to properly thinking at that time after being psychologically gaslighted by everyone & repeatedly nearly killed by 1st Tier adventurer for days, the fact Bell started to forget thing just hammer how much his mind has been damaged, add it's a battle royal so Bell could have already exhaused his mind capacity from fighting other oppenent by the time he fight Van. Remember that Firebolt can be cast several time at once & even at level 3 could outspeed Ais, The only reason someone could avoid it is when used as longe range attack not at point blank range.
Raul is the weakess level 4 in the show when even the newbie level 4 are better that just not a feat.
Didn't I said it's the half of what Bell got to fight Hyakinthos ? You can look in the pregression if you want most of stats increased by around 400 & it was at a Time were they was a full level gap who can't be applied for Tsubaki because she & Bell are on the same level. Also endurance allow to support & keep fit while injured while detextirty is for the precision which is needed to use technics, even a newbi dysyncronised level 4 Bell has High level 4 agility so pretty sure you can give that point to Bell.
That's exactly the point emphasizing the difference in combat skill existing between this einherjar & the blacksmith. Tsubaki got a level boost, so she was literally a high level 6 similar to Hogni which is exactly why it's a good exemple because rivaling Ottar in terms of combat techniques doesn't magically grant Hogni a level 7 Falna meaning while Ottar is very close to level 8 hogni as a level 6 Hongi is only very close to Level 7 & his still fighting using a raw power roughtly on par with Tsubaki. Plus Hongi isn't even the 2nd strongest of Freya Familia that seat belong to Allen.
Who know the exact ration, we see Bell at the start of the Sand Box defeating Van so it we assum Bell got defeat either because of his degraded stat or he simply didn't used his magic.
It doesn't negate anything but for reminder Bell is also doing this kind of feat & it's again Mid level fighter strange & unstable experiment who are actually weaker than the true counter part.
Did you just copy the texte from the page ? I will just remind you those special ability weren't shared by all spirits soldiers.
The narration clearly stated that nearly every time Freya Familia has a proper introduction, they literally focus on individual power while Loki Familia focus on team work so no need asking which of their members are the better duelist.
It was only a ranking about the presented character not every single level 4 alive, that would have been too long & quite confusing if Omori started naming a character that didn't got introduce.
Don't joke about the level up of the Loki trio, even Finn said they only took the lead because of their involvement against Enyo was sooner than Freya & will be closed up very soon. Plus their involvement has also led to the death of several members of their Familia which is actually closer to Freya Familia methode than Loki Familia who has boosted providing a safe grow & no death in several year.
Not that those fight lasted very long considering how quickly Hestia accpeted Freya War Game proposal but for Bete against Allen wasn't it mentionned it was the full moon back them ? the sentence used is specificly is the one when Bete use his beastification. Meanwhile Hogni was fighting Tiona, Tione & Ais. Should I remind you that none of the younger members are strategist, they are a bunch of hotheads barely better than Ais, they fight to fight not to win or survival (especially not Ais), additionnally the first thing shown in the War Game was literally that Tione & Tiona were not able to properly assert Hedin's ability & were more eager to try anything to denied it before Riveria simply confirmed to hard reality.
Not just MS 18 that line was also said in EP Freya, constated by Bell in MS 17 & the texte was literally superior to adventurer of the same Level from other Familia, Loki is classed another Familia & we see with the same ranking you mentionned that Raul & Aki they aren't that better than to the rest of Level 4 in fact they occupied the lowest spot losing to Asfi, Aisha or Falgar (those 2 being newbie level 4 when even Raul as C stat) in combat ability.
Except for his agility at I 77 all Bell Pre-War Game stats were below 50 (it's really ugly when you train under Level Boost), After Hestia update he got an increase of 1006 point (around half the stats increase Bell got to fight Hyakintos who before that was literally a Full Level above Bell) & he got another update by the time of MS19 Chapter 2.
You know Alise was also a Level 4 but it didn't change the fact she can fight on par with a Level 5. The number of people with ability putting them above their current level has only increase the further the story progress.
Also It's never stated that Van vs Bell was a 50/50 (it wasn'ts even Bell final Level 4 stat) neither their condiction at the start of the fight, additionnally it was never stated how much Tsubaki is stronger than Bell (a 1 point stronger still techically mean she is stronger even if their fight would be relativly equal) beside didn't the High Level 6 Tsubaki get her ass kick by Hogni pretty easely ? It's clear that whatever are Loki Familia adventurer norme for combat ability by level it's far inferior the norme of Freya Familia adventurer. It's even Worst Omori confirmed a newbie Kaguya would be a stronger combattant than Tsubakithe High Level 5, I will not counte the spirit soldier necause it's mentionned their weren't as good as real first-class adventurers, for obvious reason it's more easy fighting a irrational bestthan fighting a Warrior that point as being repeatedly hammered since MS 6 (even Bell can use his 4 months of technic to compensate the raw ability gap between him & Juggy).
Bell's growth rate isn't really linear, it's more proportional to the ordeal he went through, there are even times when Bell level up or gets the to level up requirement sooner than at previous level so as long Hestia learned her lesson about postponing a rank, Bell reaching Level 7 is still possible plus now he has the Ryuu skill Booster.
The statment about Tsubaki was made at the beginning of the War Game, Many status update has past since them so I am not so sure she is still stronger than Bell. Also Van is from FF so is strenght is far above a normal high level 4.
If you want punishment for Freya make Bell confess to Ais and kiss each other to break her heart.
As long she live in the Lower World more precisly Orario, she will eventually witness those moments.
The plot of the story deems Freya essential but her deed is unforgivable.
What the point ? Make your choose the safety of the Lower World or a bunch of already crushed ego, Except special exception like Hestia, most of gods doens't deem mortal opinions as worthy of consideration. As Orario God's opinion, Freya is still supported by half of them.
There is something wrong with Bell no human being can forgive this so easily makes me think the boy is a angel in disguise.
I think it's been pointed out several times that Bell can essentially be considered a clone of his mother Meteria, whose Alfia has deemed to be unrivaled in kindness.
Freya if she wanted as much it seemed simply kill Ais and his immunity is gone.
You know that's Bell feeling for Ais who are LF power source not Ais herserf ? She could die tomorrow & that wouldn't stop Bell from wanting to grow as strong as her.
Also sending Hestia back in heaven or make her to seal Bell's Falna would have been more effective mehode to deal LF rather than killing Ais for no valide reason.