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Based on Bell's evolution I assume 1000-1199 is SS and 1200-1599 is SSS.
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<p>Without any evidence of how or why Bell managed to accomplish these feats that would have killed anyone with the same level it is difficult to consider anything other than luck or cheating. (Loki considered the possibility of cheating in volume 4).
</p><p>Many of Bell's achievements are under wraps of the Guild or even Ouranos.
</p><p>ps.: Angelo you make a little mistake in a comment above, Bell took six weeks to level up and not two. (2 weeks until he acquires Liaris Freese and 4 more after that to level up).
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<p>Level 2 : Strenght: SSS1299. Endurance: SSS1248. Dexterity: SSS1274. Agility: SSSS1581. Magic: SS1007.
</p><p>Level 3 : Strenght: SSS1232. Endurance: SS1174. Dexterity: SSS1232. Agility: SSSS1489. Magic: SS1118.
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I obtained these values by placing the values that are on the progression page in an exel table and making it calculate the next progression value. </p><p>
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The amount of "S" in the status is because I consider that for every 200 points one more "S" is earned. </p><p>Ex: 1000-1199 = SS; 1200-1399 = SSS; 1400-1599 = SSSS; ... </p>
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I obtained these values by placing the values that are on the progression page in an exel table and making it calculate the next progression value. </p><p>
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The amount of "S" in the status is because I consider that for every 200 points one more "S" is earned. </p><p>Ex: 1000-1199 = SS; 1200-1399 = SSS; 1400-1599 = SSSS; ... </p>
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<p>To avoid long discussions that may escape the topic, please respond with affirmations only if they are accompanied by facts (like where it is written what supports your statement).
</p><p>My doubt in the first question comes from the fact that i don't know (or haven't paid attention) if kokonoe's tails are considered a part of her or a separate object. If it is considered as a part of her then Rigel31415's answer already clarifies the question.
</p><p>In the second question I remember that they tested the effects of Uchide no Kozuchi on each member of the Hestia Familia in volume 8 but I do not remember testing all the limits of this magic, much less its combination with Kokonoe. I don't even remember if in the history they had given any hint that they did it (I am including the 10 days of preparation for the expedition).
</p><p>ps .: When I say "test" I'm talking about testing in the same way that Bell tested Argonaut.
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<p>I have some doubts:
</p><p>1- Could Haruhime use Kokonoe to launch Uchide no Kozuchi on herself?
</p><p>2- Could she also use Kokonoe to launch Uchide on Kozuchi more than once on the same person? If so, could the effect of Uchide no Kozuchi be cumulative?
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<p>It can be a skill or a spell it won't make much difference in terms of effect, just remember that other gods and some monsters also have this ability.
</p><p>In Freya's case (and some other gods), it's more of a natural ability that she suppresses (not entirely) so as not to charm everyone who sees her.
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<p>I've posted this in 2 other places that have discussed it but here I will repost it once again:
</p><p>The excerpt below comes from 5th light novel.
</p><p>"Limit Release
</p><p>A temporary state in which surrounding conditions combined with emotion to overload the Falna contained within a deity’s Blessing.Skill power increased exponentially during a Limit Release"
</p><p>remembering that "Limit Release" was Yen Press's translation for "Limit Off".
</p><p>As I understand it, "Limit Off" is a state / situation that can happen to anyone who has a Falna and that Bell's skills can facilitate the ocurrence of it.
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<p>1 - I had changed agony to guilt or remorse.
</p><p>2-<del>And if it was not important, but just another cell of Evillus that she eliminated and no one was interested in knowing or</del> (item 5 convinced me about Evillus). Could be someone who wanted the prize for capturing or killing her.
</p><p>3 - 1 + 2 = 3, accumulation of experience.
</p><p>4- then because they are weaker they do not offer danger or excelia. And the prize on her wouldn't be worth a little effort from a first tier adventurer.
</p><p>5- here you convinced me about Evillus but not about others trying to take the prize on her.
</p><p>6- Her basic status does not matter much as they are very high but if it is possible for her to gain new skills (spells and DA included).
</p><p>7 - Ganesha Famila acts more as a security force than as a Police (never see them investigating or fighting crime), who acted as a police were the Astrea Familia.
</p><p>7.5 - Think like this: a Familia has a high level member, commits a crime and Ryuu solves the crimes and to escape the high level member which she could not win in direct combat she uses some distraction to escape. A quick story with a simple ending in which she would probably earn very little exceia but still accumulate experience - Accumulate enough experience and maybe you can gain a skill.
</p><p>8 - they may be less valuable than those in the dungeon but they are still very valuable because if they were worthless she would have to look for the material on the 30th floor.
</p><p>9 - I am not talking about Ryuu but about Astrea Familia and even if we were talking about Ryuu she would be on the black list and could not exchange magic stones for valis. Many Familias go to Orario for the reasons you mentioned but Astrea left Orario so we don't know what their status with the Guild could be so that they can return to Orario.
</p><p>Here is just my opinion but I don't think it is impossible for a group of adventurers or a Familia to collect 50,000 valis a week outside the dungeon, a level 3 adventurer could gain much more than that in just one day in the dungeon. The weapon can cost hundreds of thousands of valis but can we say that about the materials?
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<div class="quote"><i>Rigel31415 wrote:<div class="quote">
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Falna is about bringing up the experience so the fact that she forgives herself does not change the fact that she blamed herself and that’s what Falna could bring up.</i></div>
Ok let’s say she manifest the skill but still the fact that trying to fight with that kind of feelings is a terrible idea is still there. Also, how would she do it?</div> <p>Rigel31415 you seem to have a coherence problem. </p><p>1 - Ryuu for a long time went to battle carrying this kind of feeling so why now that would be a problem, probably if she acquired the skill she would have little chance of using it now that she forgave herself. Besides, there are many characters out there (including protagonists in other stories) who have this type of feeling as a motivator. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">The same goes for everything she lived, the falna could turn it into something palpable at the time of the update.</i></div>
As I already said there has to be a meaning behind, or be related to the fighting style of the user, for a skill to appear. And there has been nothing like that for her in the past years.</div> <p>2 - what do you mean by "there has to be a meaning behind"? That she lived the experience, that he has a strong feeling about something or that at some point in her life it might have been useful to have a skill with a similar effects as those I described? If it has a very different meaning than this, please explain me. </p><p>2.5 - to state that there has been nothing like that for her in the past means that you must have a detailed summary of everything that Ryuu had been through in the last 5 years. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">Bell and Syr only touched Ryu after she attacked the Evilus (after the end of the Astrea Familia) and yet she remained very aware of it.</i></div>
She was amazed that she allowed them to touch her but still, what? How would that bring a skill? Because she had a strong bond with them? The same happened with Alise and still she didn’t manifested a skill like that. That was just to proof that for her both of them are special but not more.</div> <p>3 - Accumulated experience, before the last update only one person was allowed to touch her (Alise) after the last update two more were allowed to touch her (Bell and Syr). And if you are looking for meaning, just remember that it seems that she give much more importance to this than any other elf presented so far (maybe with the exception of Filvis but with her it was for another reason). </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">Recalling that Ryuu has 5 years of accumulated experience.</i></div>
In which she never encountered a threat before the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut. She did operations? Of course but the ones that participated in them were of lower level than her.</div> <p>4 - Statement without proof, the same problem as in item 2.5 </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">If Ryuu killed what was left of the Evillus 5 years ago, why do we still have Evilus today? Did she forget to kill Valletta or Jura?</i></div>
Because they were in reality the Thanatos Familia taking the name for themselves. Aside from Valletta no one of the previous Evilus was shown to be part of the new ones. Valletta survived because she was hiding after losing her falna and Jura survived because he hid down the bodies of his allies when Ryuu attacked his Familia, it was said in Volume 13.</div> <p>5 - Valletta and Jura were able to use methods other than direct combat to escape and survive stronger opponents but Ryuu cannot use? This seems to me to be somewhat contradictory. </p><p>5.5 - In addition, just because the previous Evillus were not shown does not mean they were not there. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">Regarding guerrilla tactics, it matters if she won a lot, little or nothing of excelia, the important thing is that she could overcome a superior adversary (even if only to escape).</i></div>
The only way to get excelia from an enemy is to fight it, if she used guerilla tactics then she only killed them but didn’t fought so she didn’t got excelia from them. And as I already said fighting enemies of a lower level gives very little excelia even if there are dozens of them. Stated in SO Volume 1.</div> <p>6 - DA Escape is won by fleeing the enemy, not by fighting him. Excelia can be earned by doing something, you can earn excelia by making traps and not because the trap killed someone in the same way that you can get a blacksmith for forging weapons and not for what the forged weapons kill. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">About Ilta Farna: Again you are mistaking "certainty" for "possibility". It is not possible to nail with 100% certainty that she would capture Ryuu (unless the author says so).</i></div>
A Level 5 against a Level 4, it was already said since the start of the serie that just one level of difference is a great difference so Ryuu winning wouldn’t make sense. Also, she encountered with Ganesha Familia because they were in charge of the Casino it’s not like they are in all the places. Watching over Orario? Of course but there is a reason why the kind of places were Ryuu went in Episode Ryuu exist, they can’t just cover every place.</div> <p>7 - Ilta Farna and the Ganesha Familia are just examples but it could have been anyone else from any other Familia (including characters who have not been or will not be featured). </p><p>7.5 - Winnimg a fight against someone stronger than her can be very improbable but not meaningless but who said that Ryuu would need to win or even get into combat. It seems to me the same contradiction as item 5. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">QuestxQuest: then you can confirm that they went to get Bloodsaurus's eggs outside the dungeon.</i></div>
That still doesn’t change the fact that it was stated by Naaza that a Level 1 could handle a monster that in the Dungeon would be Level 3 or 4. So my point that monsters outside of the Dungeon are too weak still stands.</div> <p>8 - The monsters may be very weak, but the materials obtained were valuable enough for Naaza to produce a potion of good quality and of high enough value for her to pay off the debt of her Familia. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote"> <p>Of course, between silver and gold I would take the gold but if I can't get the gold I would try to get the silver or is it that if you can't get the gold you wouldn't even try to get the silver? </p> </i></div>
If we talk about a metal sword, the metals she can just buy them in Orario or order one to a Familia. If she has money, which is easy to make for her as a high Level 4 in the Dungeon, getting a good metal sword is easy and better than just conforming with weaker materials. And in case of a wooden sword, it has already been shown that elves don’t allow foreigners to enter their forests so it would be easier if Ryuu herself bought them or got in herself. As you can see for her it is plenty easy to get the "gold".</div> <p>9- We are talking here about the value of the materia and not the materia itself, we could use rubies and diamonds, swords and knives or anything else as an example the important thing is that the second most valuable thing is not abandoned just because you cannot get the first most valuable thing. </p><p>9.5 - They do not need to enter the forest, they can obtain the wood in another way (reward, negotiation, just use your imagination a little). If you say that they cannot get valuable materials without a very good justification then you will be in contradiction with item 8. </p>
Ok let’s say she manifest the skill but still the fact that trying to fight with that kind of feelings is a terrible idea is still there. Also, how would she do it?</div> <p>Rigel31415 you seem to have a coherence problem. </p><p>1 - Ryuu for a long time went to battle carrying this kind of feeling so why now that would be a problem, probably if she acquired the skill she would have little chance of using it now that she forgave herself. Besides, there are many characters out there (including protagonists in other stories) who have this type of feeling as a motivator. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">The same goes for everything she lived, the falna could turn it into something palpable at the time of the update.</i></div>
As I already said there has to be a meaning behind, or be related to the fighting style of the user, for a skill to appear. And there has been nothing like that for her in the past years.</div> <p>2 - what do you mean by "there has to be a meaning behind"? That she lived the experience, that he has a strong feeling about something or that at some point in her life it might have been useful to have a skill with a similar effects as those I described? If it has a very different meaning than this, please explain me. </p><p>2.5 - to state that there has been nothing like that for her in the past means that you must have a detailed summary of everything that Ryuu had been through in the last 5 years. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">Bell and Syr only touched Ryu after she attacked the Evilus (after the end of the Astrea Familia) and yet she remained very aware of it.</i></div>
She was amazed that she allowed them to touch her but still, what? How would that bring a skill? Because she had a strong bond with them? The same happened with Alise and still she didn’t manifested a skill like that. That was just to proof that for her both of them are special but not more.</div> <p>3 - Accumulated experience, before the last update only one person was allowed to touch her (Alise) after the last update two more were allowed to touch her (Bell and Syr). And if you are looking for meaning, just remember that it seems that she give much more importance to this than any other elf presented so far (maybe with the exception of Filvis but with her it was for another reason). </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">Recalling that Ryuu has 5 years of accumulated experience.</i></div>
In which she never encountered a threat before the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut. She did operations? Of course but the ones that participated in them were of lower level than her.</div> <p>4 - Statement without proof, the same problem as in item 2.5 </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">If Ryuu killed what was left of the Evillus 5 years ago, why do we still have Evilus today? Did she forget to kill Valletta or Jura?</i></div>
Because they were in reality the Thanatos Familia taking the name for themselves. Aside from Valletta no one of the previous Evilus was shown to be part of the new ones. Valletta survived because she was hiding after losing her falna and Jura survived because he hid down the bodies of his allies when Ryuu attacked his Familia, it was said in Volume 13.</div> <p>5 - Valletta and Jura were able to use methods other than direct combat to escape and survive stronger opponents but Ryuu cannot use? This seems to me to be somewhat contradictory. </p><p>5.5 - In addition, just because the previous Evillus were not shown does not mean they were not there. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">Regarding guerrilla tactics, it matters if she won a lot, little or nothing of excelia, the important thing is that she could overcome a superior adversary (even if only to escape).</i></div>
The only way to get excelia from an enemy is to fight it, if she used guerilla tactics then she only killed them but didn’t fought so she didn’t got excelia from them. And as I already said fighting enemies of a lower level gives very little excelia even if there are dozens of them. Stated in SO Volume 1.</div> <p>6 - DA Escape is won by fleeing the enemy, not by fighting him. Excelia can be earned by doing something, you can earn excelia by making traps and not because the trap killed someone in the same way that you can get a blacksmith for forging weapons and not for what the forged weapons kill. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">About Ilta Farna: Again you are mistaking "certainty" for "possibility". It is not possible to nail with 100% certainty that she would capture Ryuu (unless the author says so).</i></div>
A Level 5 against a Level 4, it was already said since the start of the serie that just one level of difference is a great difference so Ryuu winning wouldn’t make sense. Also, she encountered with Ganesha Familia because they were in charge of the Casino it’s not like they are in all the places. Watching over Orario? Of course but there is a reason why the kind of places were Ryuu went in Episode Ryuu exist, they can’t just cover every place.</div> <p>7 - Ilta Farna and the Ganesha Familia are just examples but it could have been anyone else from any other Familia (including characters who have not been or will not be featured). </p><p>7.5 - Winnimg a fight against someone stronger than her can be very improbable but not meaningless but who said that Ryuu would need to win or even get into combat. It seems to me the same contradiction as item 5. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote">QuestxQuest: then you can confirm that they went to get Bloodsaurus's eggs outside the dungeon.</i></div>
That still doesn’t change the fact that it was stated by Naaza that a Level 1 could handle a monster that in the Dungeon would be Level 3 or 4. So my point that monsters outside of the Dungeon are too weak still stands.</div> <p>8 - The monsters may be very weak, but the materials obtained were valuable enough for Naaza to produce a potion of good quality and of high enough value for her to pay off the debt of her Familia. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <div class="quote"> <p>Of course, between silver and gold I would take the gold but if I can't get the gold I would try to get the silver or is it that if you can't get the gold you wouldn't even try to get the silver? </p> </i></div>
If we talk about a metal sword, the metals she can just buy them in Orario or order one to a Familia. If she has money, which is easy to make for her as a high Level 4 in the Dungeon, getting a good metal sword is easy and better than just conforming with weaker materials. And in case of a wooden sword, it has already been shown that elves don’t allow foreigners to enter their forests so it would be easier if Ryuu herself bought them or got in herself. As you can see for her it is plenty easy to get the "gold".</div> <p>9- We are talking here about the value of the materia and not the materia itself, we could use rubies and diamonds, swords and knives or anything else as an example the important thing is that the second most valuable thing is not abandoned just because you cannot get the first most valuable thing. </p><p>9.5 - They do not need to enter the forest, they can obtain the wood in another way (reward, negotiation, just use your imagination a little). If you say that they cannot get valuable materials without a very good justification then you will be in contradiction with item 8. </p>
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<p>Falna is about bringing up the experience so the fact that she forgives herself does not change the fact that she blamed herself and that’s what Falna could bring up.
</p><p>The same goes for everything she lived, the falna could turn it into something palpable at the time of the update.
Bell and Syr only touched Ryu after she attacked the Evillus (after the end of the Astrea Familia) and yet she remained very aware of it.
Recalling that Ryuu has 5 years of accumulated experience.
</p><p>Ps .: in the xenos arc Bell no longer ran away but still acquired the DA Escape.
</p><p>If Ryuu killed what was left of the Evillus 5 years ago, why do we still have Evillus today? Did she forget to kill Valletta or Jura?
</p><p>Regarding guerrilla tactics, it matters if she won a lot, little or nothing of excelia, the important thing is that she could overcome a superior adversary (even if only to escape).
</p><p>About Ilta Farna: Again you are mistaking "certainty" for "possibility". It is not possible to nail with 100% certainty that she would capture Ryuu (unless the author says so).
</p><p>QuestxQuest: then you can confirm that they went to get Bloodsaurus's eggs outside the dungeon.
</p><p>Of course, between silver and gold I would take the gold but if I can't get the gold I would try to get the silver or is it that if you can't get the gold you wouldn't even try to get the silver?
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<p>What I meant by Trackless Step and Ghost Walker is that it would be a skill that could hinder hers location, recognition, or make her go unnoticed.
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About the ability similar to Fairy Senior: I just kicked an example but it could be any other feeling, something that might be more suitable for Ryuu would be guilt, remorse or regret </p><p>About the ability similar to Shinra Tensei: It would not need to be as powerful as the original, it could have a delay between one repulsion and another and the consumption of mind could be high. It is one thing to know that elves are like this and it is another thing for the elf himself to know that he is like this and worry a lot about it making it a big problem (Ryuu has even cursed the gods because of this). </p><p>If it was possible to have level 4 survivors even if just by luck, why not level 5 or 6? (lack of proof about the existence of something is not proof of its nonexistence). </p><p>Ryuu may be superior to other level 4 but that does not mean that she always won or won easily. As for stronger opponents, she may have fled or used other means (guerrilla tactics exist for that). Else her opponents might not always be Evillus but could be someone wanting the prize on her. </p><p>About Ilta Farna: again "probable" is not "certainty". </p><p>Never read QuestxQuest but the synopsis here doesn’t mention level 1 just says the monsters are much weaker, not to mention that in the same story it took a level 1 adventurer and a level 2 to defeat the Bloodsaurus, all to obtain material from outside Orario to make a special potion (since it recovers health and magic at the same time) of good quality. </p><p>About other sources of income and magic stones: Because Gold is worth more than Silver does not mean that Silver is worth nothing. </p>
About the ability similar to Fairy Senior: I just kicked an example but it could be any other feeling, something that might be more suitable for Ryuu would be guilt, remorse or regret </p><p>About the ability similar to Shinra Tensei: It would not need to be as powerful as the original, it could have a delay between one repulsion and another and the consumption of mind could be high. It is one thing to know that elves are like this and it is another thing for the elf himself to know that he is like this and worry a lot about it making it a big problem (Ryuu has even cursed the gods because of this). </p><p>If it was possible to have level 4 survivors even if just by luck, why not level 5 or 6? (lack of proof about the existence of something is not proof of its nonexistence). </p><p>Ryuu may be superior to other level 4 but that does not mean that she always won or won easily. As for stronger opponents, she may have fled or used other means (guerrilla tactics exist for that). Else her opponents might not always be Evillus but could be someone wanting the prize on her. </p><p>About Ilta Farna: again "probable" is not "certainty". </p><p>Never read QuestxQuest but the synopsis here doesn’t mention level 1 just says the monsters are much weaker, not to mention that in the same story it took a level 1 adventurer and a level 2 to defeat the Bloodsaurus, all to obtain material from outside Orario to make a special potion (since it recovers health and magic at the same time) of good quality. </p><p>About other sources of income and magic stones: Because Gold is worth more than Silver does not mean that Silver is worth nothing. </p>
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<div class="quote"><i>Rigel31415 wrote:
Like Cinder Ella?</i></div>
<p>No, I was thinking of something more similar to Ghost Walker or Trackless Step from Mahouka and Rakudai no Kishi respectively. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Like Fairy Senior of Filvis?</i></div>
<p>Why not? In DM there are other skills that operate in the same way (they increase something and have its effect increased in relation to how strong a specific feeling is). Ex: Liaris Freese, Berserk and Avenger. </p><p>So it could be, for example, a skill that increases her Dex and Agi and that this effect would increase according to her distress or agony. </p><p>ps .: you used "like" not "equal" in the questions. </p> <div class="quote"><i>What kind of skill could come out of that?</i></div>
<p>I thought of something like this: it is a skill that can be activated and deactivated and that once activated any unauthorized touch would generate a repulsion force (like Nagato's Shinra Tensei in Naruto). </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>Based in how were the two curse users that we have seen it is very unlikely that she, or any Bell´s friend for the matter, could develop one.</i></div>
<p>I don't know about you but I have already imagined Lily acquiring a curse (this expectation that I had fell apart when she evolved). But here I give my arm to cheer because I can't imagine a curse that matches Ryuu for her to acquire. </p><p>I thought about many other things that Ryuu could acquire, some more suited her, others less but nothing that anyone could say "holy **** where did she get that from" </p><p>Ps .: this is what crosses my mind from time to time when imagining where Mikoto got her magic from. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Phryne and Tammuz were part of Ishtar Familia who only gave them money so they weren´t members also that relation started after the original Evilus was destroyed and even if they were members they were not stronger than Ryuu back then. Same goes for Dix and Gran, Ikelos Familia used Knossos to get money but in reality they were not part of Evilus. They only fough Bell because he entered Knossos. Valleta was the only one that was a member of Evilus. And she could had been Level 4 as well, notto say that after the incident in the 27 floor she was most probable hiding after losing her falna. Based in what she said in SO Volume 7 Finn destroyed a great part of their power so most high level members were dead before Ryuu went on a rampage. Against the first Evilus she sure had some difficulties but this was mostly because of fighting so many people, a high level can defeat lower ones but if they are too many and the difference is of one level it can still be quite hard. And since then there were only the fights against the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut but not more. About her encounter with Shakti, it was said that Astraea Familia worked aside with Loki and Ganesha Familias to bring peace to Orario so it was because of respect as old partners but just that.</i></div>
<p>1 - I never stated that they all had a relationship with Evillus from the very beginning. </p><p>2- Having a relationship with a group does not mean that they belong to it. </p><p>3- 5 years ago Ais became level 4 and as far as I remember Phryne wasn’t very back. </p><p>4 - I never said that Ryuu ever faced Phryne or someone from Ishitar Familia. </p><p>5- Same as above for Tammuz, Dix, Gran and Valletta. </p><p>6- Finn destroyed a great part of their power but not all of their power. </p><p>7- most high level members were dead does not mean that all were dead. </p><p>8- I just came up with the possibility that some of the survivors could have a level similar to the persongens that I mentioned and at some point in those five years some of them could have faced Ryuu. </p><p>9- Respect for former partners could have insured Shakti but would that have insured Ilta Farna if she had been in Shakti's place at that time. (remembering that at that time Ryuu was still considered a criminal with a premium) </p> <div class="quote"><i>There are monsters only in some parts of the world so they would need to travel in order to use them as an income, which would cost as well. Any city that would need a Familia to work as police would already have it, because otherwise it would be already destroyed. They could do it in other places were the threats could be lower but still that wouldn´t be enough to get money for a first class weapon. It is not just a matter of management but remember that Orario is completely different from the rest of the world, that goes to money as well. Magic stones are a great source of income but there is just one Dungeon, trying to do the same as Orario outside of it can´t work. And in the improbable case that they had enough saved it would be most of it, and giving it to someone tha can get the money easier that them would be a terible decision that would affect significantly the Familia. About Astraea taking money with her, she knew what Ryuu would do so it would be a terrible idea to not let her eveything that was left in order to increase the probabilites that she completed her goal and survived.</i></div>
<p>1 - about the monsters: what would be the difference in earnings and expenses (remembering that adventurers from Orario very difficultly leave Orario - that is, there is a lack of specialized labor) </p><p>2 - About cities: it seems to me a statement without proof (I don't remember anything similar written in the LN). </p><p>3- I did not speak of the weapon but of the material to make it and that will be obtained outside Orario and the Dungeon. Ps .: price difference between the raw material and the final product is usually quite high. </p><p>4- magic stones may even be the biggest source of income in the world but it is not the only one. </p><p>5- never said that the material would come out for free, just said that they could get it. </p><p>6- if the money is with Ryuu then it would be even easier for her to buy materials from the new Astrea Familia. </p>
Like Cinder Ella?</i></div>
<p>No, I was thinking of something more similar to Ghost Walker or Trackless Step from Mahouka and Rakudai no Kishi respectively. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Like Fairy Senior of Filvis?</i></div>
<p>Why not? In DM there are other skills that operate in the same way (they increase something and have its effect increased in relation to how strong a specific feeling is). Ex: Liaris Freese, Berserk and Avenger. </p><p>So it could be, for example, a skill that increases her Dex and Agi and that this effect would increase according to her distress or agony. </p><p>ps .: you used "like" not "equal" in the questions. </p> <div class="quote"><i>What kind of skill could come out of that?</i></div>
<p>I thought of something like this: it is a skill that can be activated and deactivated and that once activated any unauthorized touch would generate a repulsion force (like Nagato's Shinra Tensei in Naruto). </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i>Based in how were the two curse users that we have seen it is very unlikely that she, or any Bell´s friend for the matter, could develop one.</i></div>
<p>I don't know about you but I have already imagined Lily acquiring a curse (this expectation that I had fell apart when she evolved). But here I give my arm to cheer because I can't imagine a curse that matches Ryuu for her to acquire. </p><p>I thought about many other things that Ryuu could acquire, some more suited her, others less but nothing that anyone could say "holy **** where did she get that from" </p><p>Ps .: this is what crosses my mind from time to time when imagining where Mikoto got her magic from. </p> <div class="quote"><i>Phryne and Tammuz were part of Ishtar Familia who only gave them money so they weren´t members also that relation started after the original Evilus was destroyed and even if they were members they were not stronger than Ryuu back then. Same goes for Dix and Gran, Ikelos Familia used Knossos to get money but in reality they were not part of Evilus. They only fough Bell because he entered Knossos. Valleta was the only one that was a member of Evilus. And she could had been Level 4 as well, notto say that after the incident in the 27 floor she was most probable hiding after losing her falna. Based in what she said in SO Volume 7 Finn destroyed a great part of their power so most high level members were dead before Ryuu went on a rampage. Against the first Evilus she sure had some difficulties but this was mostly because of fighting so many people, a high level can defeat lower ones but if they are too many and the difference is of one level it can still be quite hard. And since then there were only the fights against the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut but not more. About her encounter with Shakti, it was said that Astraea Familia worked aside with Loki and Ganesha Familias to bring peace to Orario so it was because of respect as old partners but just that.</i></div>
<p>1 - I never stated that they all had a relationship with Evillus from the very beginning. </p><p>2- Having a relationship with a group does not mean that they belong to it. </p><p>3- 5 years ago Ais became level 4 and as far as I remember Phryne wasn’t very back. </p><p>4 - I never said that Ryuu ever faced Phryne or someone from Ishitar Familia. </p><p>5- Same as above for Tammuz, Dix, Gran and Valletta. </p><p>6- Finn destroyed a great part of their power but not all of their power. </p><p>7- most high level members were dead does not mean that all were dead. </p><p>8- I just came up with the possibility that some of the survivors could have a level similar to the persongens that I mentioned and at some point in those five years some of them could have faced Ryuu. </p><p>9- Respect for former partners could have insured Shakti but would that have insured Ilta Farna if she had been in Shakti's place at that time. (remembering that at that time Ryuu was still considered a criminal with a premium) </p> <div class="quote"><i>There are monsters only in some parts of the world so they would need to travel in order to use them as an income, which would cost as well. Any city that would need a Familia to work as police would already have it, because otherwise it would be already destroyed. They could do it in other places were the threats could be lower but still that wouldn´t be enough to get money for a first class weapon. It is not just a matter of management but remember that Orario is completely different from the rest of the world, that goes to money as well. Magic stones are a great source of income but there is just one Dungeon, trying to do the same as Orario outside of it can´t work. And in the improbable case that they had enough saved it would be most of it, and giving it to someone tha can get the money easier that them would be a terible decision that would affect significantly the Familia. About Astraea taking money with her, she knew what Ryuu would do so it would be a terrible idea to not let her eveything that was left in order to increase the probabilites that she completed her goal and survived.</i></div>
<p>1 - about the monsters: what would be the difference in earnings and expenses (remembering that adventurers from Orario very difficultly leave Orario - that is, there is a lack of specialized labor) </p><p>2 - About cities: it seems to me a statement without proof (I don't remember anything similar written in the LN). </p><p>3- I did not speak of the weapon but of the material to make it and that will be obtained outside Orario and the Dungeon. Ps .: price difference between the raw material and the final product is usually quite high. </p><p>4- magic stones may even be the biggest source of income in the world but it is not the only one. </p><p>5- never said that the material would come out for free, just said that they could get it. </p><p>6- if the money is with Ryuu then it would be even easier for her to buy materials from the new Astrea Familia. </p>
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<p>She could gain a skill related to the fact that she spent the last 5 years in disguise, hidden and still performing covert operations.
</p><p>She could also gain a skill related to the fact that for the past 5 years she has been brooding over her past acts, that she was not worthy of doing justice (when in fact she had her own sense of justice), that she continued to hunt Evillus or/and that she had (or still has) a trauma with Juggernault.
</p><p>She could gain a skill related to the fact that she is very aware that she doesn't like other people to touch her but that for some reason she allowed 3 people to touch her (gods not included).
</p><p>Not all skills need to be combat oriented, Ryuu also knows how to investigate, infiltrate, perform guerrilla acts, among other things. Remembering that everything I said above does not necessarily need to result in a skill, it could also result in a DA, magic, curse or simply nothing.
</p><p>As for the strength of the adversaries that she faced in the last 5 years I can agree that most were levels lower than hers but it is not possible to discard that at some point she had to face someone with the same level or even higher. The LN have already shown 5 characters related to Evillus who were at level 4 or higher (Phryne, Tammuz, Dix, Gran and Valletta) so it would not be absurd to say that maybe there was someone on their level to confront Ryu, remembering that in Familia Chronicle Episode Ryuu she ended up facing Shakti and although this conflict has been passively deserrated it is not possible to say that the past confrontations have had it.
</p><p>As for the new Astra Familia, it could do the same thing it did in Orario: security, patrol, investigation, monster hunting. Depending on where and for whom they served, the payment could be relatively high for her current circumstances, it is just a matter of knowing how to manage it. Not to mention that we don't know how much money or resources Astrea took with her when she left Orario.
</p><p>Repetition and lack of utility of an element in history are not exactly problems, a problem would be the lack of consistency, coherence and originality.
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<p>Justification: For the time that Ryu spent without updating her Falna and for the various things she did in that time.
</p><p>If she gains skills that are related to her personality, to what she has gone through in the last 5 years or to what he has been doing at that time then this is not bad writing but consistency in writing.
</p><p>As far as I remember the basic status of someone does not necessarily need to grow for him to gain a skill.
</p><p>5 years is enough time to work and negotiate the acquisition of goods depending on the type of service that Astrea or her new familia do. 5 years is also enough time for an adventurer to go from level 1 to level 3.
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<p>I believe that when Ryu updates her status she will gain not one but two or more skills (as far as I remember, the amount of skills that can be gained by updating are not limited) .
</p><p>Ryu not only did everything that was mentioned above but also did in the last 5 years with a certain frequency (probably over a period of months) operations similar to those described in Familia Chronicle (she must have done this several times previously to become a rumor).
</p><p>Rigel31415 you are forgetting that the higher the status is the more difficult it is to increase, not to mention that there is a limit to how much a status can increase (I'm not talking about the value S999), that once this limit is reached your status will not increase no matter what you do , in this case you only have two choices, stay stagnant or level up. (by defeating Udeaus, Aiz increased her status very little but level up).
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As for Ryuu weapon, perhaps Astreia (that's if it really appears in the story) does not give the weapon itself but the materials to make it. </p>
As for Ryuu weapon, perhaps Astreia (that's if it really appears in the story) does not give the weapon itself but the materials to make it. </p>
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<p>Using a little bit of statistics and arithmetic progression and assuming that her status will only be shown after some major event or arc of history I believe that her values for the next two updates will be approximately these:
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1st update: For I47, End H104; Dex H136; Agi H131; Mag B705. </p><p>2nd update: For I64; End H136; Dex H192; Agi H181; Mag A892. </p><p>
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Remembering that these values I obtained over the data that have been presented so far in history and that I am considering that the performance and the way that she acts in battle and in the day-to-day do not suffer major changes because if they change a lot then these values that I obtained can be thrown in the trash can. </p>
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1st update: For I47, End H104; Dex H136; Agi H131; Mag B705. </p><p>2nd update: For I64; End H136; Dex H192; Agi H181; Mag A892. </p><p>
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Remembering that these values I obtained over the data that have been presented so far in history and that I am considering that the performance and the way that she acts in battle and in the day-to-day do not suffer major changes because if they change a lot then these values that I obtained can be thrown in the trash can. </p>
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<p>Yes he kicked the ground which is basically what everyone else does when running. He didn't kick the ground like a fighter kicking an opponent or a soccer player kicking a ball. He never had the intention of attacking or influencing the ground, what he wanted was to get faster.
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<p>As far as I know it's possible to strike with a shield.
</p><p>ps .: if i'm not mistaken Bell already used Argonalt to speed up on LN 12.
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