All posts by Ascetic09

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Angelo Gabrini wrote: Being in a familia restricts how you can interact with other familias (not really counting Bell and what he's done because plot) </p> </i></div>
<p>Bell is hardly the only person we've seen that doesn't follow this implicit rule. There's Ais, Lefiya, and if you use the games, Ottar as well. I'm not very familiar with Orario Rhapsodia, but isn't there something like that there as well? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>In my opinion the whole familia system is pointless; why not just let everyone freely train/interact/etc with each other? Why not have stronger familia help weaker familia? Having conflicts between familia is just wasting each others' time and effort. The end of series goal is to fight the OEBD and/or clear the dungeon, and having a free system would make that easier to achieve than relying on plot convenience like Uchide no Kozuchi </p> </i></div>
<p>You realize that the familias are all essentially competitors right? </p><p>There is no reason in the short term for them to help each other out. It's pointless to use what we as the readers, believe to be the final goal of the series as a standard for what they're doing now. </p>

<p>Bell also trains with Ryuu, in case you've forgotten. There was Tiona that one time as well. We've also gotten some mentions of him training with Mikoto, though I doubt she actually taught him much of anything. I'm curious as to why you think the familia system is to blame though. Even if there weren't implicit rules against that sort of thing (rules which are so lax that they aren't even rules), would the situation really change that much? How many additional people do you think would spring up to train him? </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Quote: </p><p>Considering it's been a thousand years since Orario was built. There's likely no one alive (aside from the gods or a very long lived Elf) who still remembers the time monsters freely roamed the world. </p> </i></div>
<p>Huh? There are still plenty of monsters running around outside. Many of the people in series have had their families or friends killed by monsters. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>They're known for no other reason that Omori wanted them to be known. Despite the fact that they stay in one city, don't perform heroic deeds outside of said city, and there is no form of mass communication in the setting. Other than the divine mirrors which need special permission. </p> </i></div>
<p>Finn has been an adventurer for decades now, and while they don't have mass communication, there is still a steady stream of people moving in and out of the city who spread tales about him. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>My point was to the average joe, who is likely not to regularly interact with any god nor see or hear the feats of a high level adventurers (it's not like adventurers have after fight interviews and replays) , and exacerbated by the fact that both of those things (gods and adventurers) existing almost exclusively in Orario, can neither appreciate nor care about arbitrary numbers (i.e. levels). Hence Finn's method does not make sense. </p> </i></div>
<p>People with falna are rare but not unheard of outside of Orario. The reason Finn is known is because he accomplishes great deeds. His method makes sense because his fellow pallums are inspired by these deeds to improve their lot in life. </p><p>In short: There is and can only ever be Orario. </p><p>While I'm at it might as well include one major gripe with the setting I forgot: </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>4) Magic - Despite magic being so prominent in the setting, DanMachi has one of the laziest systems I've ever read. Can't learn spells like one woud learn a skill. Either born with it, Falna gifts it, read a grimoire, or hope Omori is feeling generous. Oh and only THREE spells MAX. Making Riveria and Lefiya, super super special snowflakes. They're literally the "Bell Cranel" of mages. </p> </i></div>
<p>This I agree with. Spells are barely any different than skills. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Angelo Gabrini wrote: Why do people like Ais so much? Is there something I'm missing here? </p> </i></div>
<p>From my perspective at least, I like Ais because I think she's interesting. As a person she's still half formed, and she still isn't quite sure of who she is. Seeing her slowly grow little by little by interacting with various people is nice. </p>

<p>How is that any different from the real world, where the vast majority of the time you won't accomplish anything either? At least Finn can genuinely say he dragged himself up from basically nothing. </p><p>We've seen Finn have some effect on other pallums, so it is effective somewhat. </p>

<p>It's not about getting levels, it's about showing himself as a famous individual that they can look up to and aspire towards, proof that they can accomplish their dreams. I can tell you from experience that this stuff actually works IRL. </p>

<p>I wouldn't say GS is only as strong as a normal person. If nothing else, his ability to survive injury is superhuman. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Don't remember where deep levels is from but I don't think it's really accurate to include the Xenos in there. That was Ouranos' personal thing and not the Guild </p> </i></div>
<p>TThe Guild is deliberately restricting information on what the deep levels are like, so as not to spook everyone else. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It makes no sense that a century old familia with lots of experience would be surpassed by a newer familia in far less time. Having everyone be talented for the sake of plot is just bad writing </p> </i></div>
<p>Overall Zeus and Hera still have the edge I'm sure, it's just that Loki Familia is blessed to have a more talented group of elites. It's simply luck. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>What makes the current "heroes" any different from previous ones? Bell, sure, but the others don't really act that special </p> </i></div>
<p>I think in terms of background, most of the Loki Familia people are pretty unique. They've all come from some pretty crappy backgrounds, and managed to distinguish themselves. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Kevhunt06 wrote: The entire city is built on top of the great pit of doom with only Ouranos's will holding down the monsters. Having them need to hide something is just to much of a stretch, especially given the guild is encouraging deeper exploration. If it was something that was problematic for Zeus or Hera it would be utterly irresponsible to allow the Loki Familia to try to get there. It's the kind of retroactive plotting that does more harm than good. </p> </i></div>
<p>Except we already know the guild is hiding things about the dungeon, from the Xenos and the structure of the deep levels. </p><p>Anyway, I was a bit surprised about the Level 8 & 9 reveal, but upon further thought, it makes more sense. Loki and Freya Familias are young groups with only a couple decades of experience. Zeus and Hera had centuries, it's not so surprising that they could reach higher levels. We've seen the effect that being properly trained had on characters like Lefiya. I'm sure Finn, Gareth, Riveria and Ottar would probably be higher leveled if they had someone to guide them instead of having to figure stuff out as they go along. </p><p>I also don't think that simply because Zeus and Hera had a Level 8 & 9 means that they must have had a bunch of Level 6 & 7's either. I wouldn't be all surprised if they didn't have as many as Loki Familia. You seem to need a lot of talent to get that far, even if you have help. </p><p>On the matter of Hermes' previous statement about this being the best group of heroes in ages, being a hero is not about strength The series had made that clear already. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Angelo Gabrini wrote: I highly doubt Ryuu's parents care for her at this point </p> </i></div>
<p>It's only been what, 10 years since she ran away? That's not a lot of time elf-wise. </p>

<p>Reposting this from another forum. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>The meaning of Liaris Freese comes from hanakotoba, Japanese flower language. </p><p>Liaris is the liatris, which means 'burning passion' </p><p>Freese is the freesia, which means 'admiration' or 'adoration' </p> This matches the kanji used with Liaris Freese, , 憧憬一途, which means 'wholehearted longing'</i></div>

<p>So Danmachi has entered the rarefied realm of some with 3 seasons, eh? </p><p>I'm looking forward to it! </p>

The cynical part of me can't help but notice that releases always slow down the closer a series gets to catching up with Japan.

<p>We know it's possible that grimoires can increase a person's magic slots, so I wouldn't be surprised if he did learn a new magic at some point. Like DerDoppleganger mentioned however, if it does happen,it would likely be something that doesn't detract much from the style he has now, similar to Naruto's powerups. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Angelo Gabrini wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>Ascetic09 wrote: I wonder if it's because Bete's character is more fleshed out in the LN now than he was when that scene was written? </p> </i></div>
<p>That wouldn't apply to anime only watchers though so I doubt it </p> </div> <p>Perhaps the animators themselves are fans of Sword Oratoria and decided to adjust how he appeared in line with that? </p>

<p>I kinda forgot the bar fight was not that bloody until you guys brought it up. I assume the animators wanted a more visual representation of how strong Hyacinthus was. </p><p>As for the Bete thing Doppleganger mentioned, I did notice that. I wonder if it's because Bete's character is more fleshed out in the LN now than he was when that scene was written? </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Angelo Gabrini wrote: I haven't seen the episode yet but not really liking how they're shafting some of it to DanMemo. Take out the boring fanservice from Hestia and Lili and you'd get enough time </p> </i></div>
<p>You're talking about the Rabbit Hunter thing? That was basically a minutes worth of new content that added nothing much at all. It's probably serves Danmemo more than the anime. </p><p>The episode itself was rushed, scenes didn't quite feel connected to each other, but it was OK. Gives them more time for the War Game and Ishtar Arc. </p>

<p>I've said it before, but Haruhime's magic is so useful that Loki Familia would probably bring her down beyond the 51st floor if they had a joint expedition. They could even bring someone like Aisha just to protect her. </p>