All posts by The Red Emperor

<div class="quote"><i>Drachenblut2 wrote:
It was already stated in the book thag she is a virgin. Aisha said that she always fainted when she saw a man naked (she didn't say it to haruhime).</i></div>
<p>Yes, I'm aware of that but up until now we just didn't get confirmation from the author saying that she was inappropriated touched and assaulted during her time as a prostitute in red-light district, even it's something that could've been presumed as obvious, but now we no longer have to rely on speculation to prove that just because Haruhime turned out to be virgin, doesn't mean that the suffering she thought she was going through was just in her head. </p>

<p>This actually confirms my earlier suspicions, as I had guessed that even though Haruhime turned out to be virgin, the nightmare she was enduring was no less real, which was pretty much obvious but I just needed confirmation directly from the author. Making her a virgin may have been a cop out by Oomori to show her mercy, but I don't think it takes anything away from her belief that she was "tainted." She had every reason to feel violated, oppressed, and abused and I think it pretty much takes away the contradiction that people pointed out when Bell merely saved a prostitute who was just a virgin despite the whole volume illustrating the message that even prostitutes (who aren't virgins) can be saved.  </p><p>Thanks for the info on this SS, I probably won't ever get to actually read it but I appreciate the summary. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Angelo Gabrini wrote: <div class="quote"> <p>To make it short, i think the main Problem here is, that you guys are judging her Actions based on logic and that`s it. </p> </i></div>
<p>What you're saying is true, but it simply makes no sense story wise. Ardi, and by extension the Astraea Familia, have a poor sense of justice. Letting criminals go because they seem like they're sorry doesn't help with anything; the thief she let go would just steal again, and the result of one such action is Ted from Episode Ryuu who claimed to be sorry but then later murdered the actual owner of the Grand Casino and enslaved countless women. Oomori needed someone to die, and Ardi fit the bill, that's it, maybe the author wanted to show something with her but it just conveys her as incompetent </p><p>I'm not saying moral justice is bad, but Ardi and the Astraea Familia are not doing it properly. Look at Aokiji and Smoker from One Piece; while the two are more moral than other marines, they will still arrest you if you're a criminal or a pirate. You can still hope that a criminal will improve without giving them a pat on a back and "here's some candy for your troubles" </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>About ganesha familia not searching for weapons </p> </i></div>
<p>I don't really remember that scene, but they could've just searched them beforehand instead of just standing there and watching Ardi deal with a kid. Evilus had been raiding magic stone factories for a while before the battle, that should've been something to be wary about. This ties in with your argument, but the real problem here isn't the characters but rather the fact that the author is dumbing down characters to fit the story </p><p>Or they could've just killed the Evilus members outright like they should've done, there's really no point in capturing them alive like Rakia's soldiers </p> </div> <p>I actually saw that in a different light. The criminal in question, who committed the meager offense of stealing 444 valis from Lord Ellen (I think it was?), was previously a normal citizen of Orario who felt he had no other choice but to steal in order to survive, iirc. I think it's a bit unfair to compare someone who feels it necessary to commit a minor crime in order to ensure his/her livelihood to a twisted man who let greed consume his mind, leading him to commit a murder so as to profit from being in a privileged position as an owner of a prosperous casino. The world isn't so black and white and I'm sure Ardi realized that when Ryuu  said, "...even the good ones are going bad," or something to that effect, iirc. I thought Ardi's forgiveness as a form of justice seemed apt in that situation. </p><p>Granted, there is no guarantee that he wouldn't commit the same offense again, but at the end of the day the thief really was someone who was able to live a life free of crime for most of his life, as compared to a cold-blooded murderer, so it's not like there's no hope left for him, or atleast, Ardi seemed to believe so. It should be noted that Ryu and the others would have arrested him on the spot and made sure he received the appropriate punishment if it weren't for Ardi's appeal. It's meant to distinguish Ardi from the other Astraea Familia members. </p><p>I thought the theme of searching for the meaning of justice was very prevalent in this story so far, with someone even mentioning that there were as many meanings to justice as there are people (or something like that). Like Serphier said, a person's disposition, maturation, and past events help develop his/her own meaning of justice, which in turn, eventually helps them grow into his/her own person. Self-discovery seemed to be point of the question, "What is justice?" To me, it made sense that their sense of justice wasn't perfect at this point in the story, it obviously wouldn't be. Otherwise, they wouldn't have any room to grow and they would already be a group of perfect characters (which is boring). That being said, I don't believe Ardi's justice to be invalid. </p><p>As for why they didn't search them for weapons instead of standing around and watch Ardi deal with a child, it was an unprecedented situtaion and they didn't know how to properly react in the heat of the moment when faced with a rather innocent visage of tears wielding what appeared to be a small knife. Amidst a battlefield of adult combatants being engaged in a bloody melee, I think the appearance of such a child would faze anyone, at least for a couple of seconds. Unfortunately, that's all that was needed to set off the suicide bomb. Ardi, considering her "forgiving and kind" personality, was a prime target for falling for a trap like this, simply due to her nature and values. I don't think she appeared imcompetent, except for trying to reach out to her with her hand in a rather careless manner. This action was definitely not wise, but it is, to a degree, understandable given her character; no one can be expected to quell their inner thoughts completely. That being said, I really think having Ardi reach out to her was bad writing by Oomori. He could've simply had her urge the child against a wall or into a corner, at a safe distance from herself, or at least try something that wouldn't have resulted in her being so close to the explosion. </p><p>I really also think they should've killed the Evilus members on the spot, but since they've yet to put their hands on the masterminds behind the chaos, there is a merit in capturing enemies alive so as to interrogate them for further intel on the Evilus leaders' hideout, future plans, etc. There was no guarantee that this was going to be the last battle, where they would be successful in capturing every Evilus leader. </p><p>Other than that, I completely agree with your assertion. Characters who have demonstrated strategic and tactical genius, in terms of the bigger picture of a war, like Finn, should've definitely and specifically advised the other Familia leaders to be cautious of the dangers of the stolen ignition devices, instead of blindly deciding to go on with the "Grand Feud" despite his tingling thumb telling him that sometime was very wrong behind the scenes. I even thought that line of dialogue was extremely unlike Finn, and I had to check again to who spoke out that line. Even Kaguya raised the possibility of a trap, and yet they failed to predict the possibility of suicide bombers, which would understandable if they've yet to witness that specific tactic, seeing as previously proven tacticians like Finn weren't on this specific base of Evilus that the Astrea and Ganesha Familias were attacking (does Shakti count? I don't know much about her aside from Episode Ryu). However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they should've seen something coming, but didn't. Oomori seriously messed up with Finn's character by undermining him and any other executive from any Familia that should've been able to pick up on the real danger and make others approach the raid with extreme caution, which obviously wasn't the case with Ardi and the others. He could've maintained the characters' sharpness while simultaneously increasing the complexity and effectiveness of Evilus' plans, without dumbing down exceptional adventurers and having them fall into such a dangerous yet somewhat forseeable trick. </p><p>Also, I have no clue how to add in my text between appropriate sections of a person's quote. I wanted to divide up my post into sections that would directly go under the appropriate portion of the original person's response, like Angelo does, but I can't just press enter as that would make my text part of his quote (with the grey background in the quote box), and not mine own (with the white background outside of the quote box). I tried looking it up on Fandom but I couldn't find an answer. I hope y'all understood what I'm trying to say and I would appreciate it if someone could tell me how to do that. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Angelo Gabrini wrote: <p>I never said they had to be alive, just that they were the captains. You could always nerf them as zombies </p> </i></div>
<p>I didn't think of that possibility. I've yet to completely read all of the volumes in this series released thus far, so has there been any instance of zombie-like beings in the series? I know there was the whole resurrection thing with Fels but other than that I don't know of any other instance of the dead rising again. </p>

<p>So what I'm getting from this is, if the "Great Heroes" really are the captains of Zeus and Hera Familias, then they survived the OEBD fight 15 years ago, even though the main force of both Familias was wiped out. I thought it would make more sense if they both died in battle alongside the others, seeing as they would have spearheaded the attack, otherwise it wouldn't have been so easy (or even possible) for Freya and Loki to banish them, unless those two captains were severely injured or worse, crippled. I haven't read any volumes of Familia Chronicle so I'm not yet aware of the history revealed in those, except for the existence of Level 8 & 9 adventurers, which is kinda ridiculous. </p><p>@Angelo </p><p>It makes more sense, to me at least, for those "Great Heroes" to have been simple executives from Zeus and Hera Familias. If they were actually Level 8 & 9, they would be literally (or near) impossible to beat, so it makes more sense for them to be two Level 7s, for example. That way, they would still be stronger, like others said, but still conquerable. Also, seeing as they were called the two powerhouses, "Great Heroes" may collectively refer to the executives of Zeus and Hera Familias, which those new Level 7 characters would fall under, without needing to be the captains. That would also explain Ottar and Riveria's surprised expressions, since they should've been part of the main force that perished against the OEBD. That being said, I do understand why you would draw that conclusion, seeing as you've seen other sources of information that I haven't, so I could most definitely be wrong about this whole thing. </p>

<p>Well I actually liked the Argonaut's long tale. For me, it actually felt like a heroic tale, considering Argonaut's unique heroism. I first started playing the game as it was underway so I don't really know how overhyped it was. Either way, if this event is going to canon, maybe we'll get to see Alise as well. I kinda hoped it would be an original story like Kevhunt said, and since a Level 7+ adventure is going to appear, I honestly don't know what to expect at this point. I can't picture how that adventurer is going to fit into the plot, maybe it's like a cameo appearance? </p><p>This adventurer has got to be from either the Zeus or Hera Familias, since they're the only ones who've had a Level 7+ adventurer in their Familia (as far as I know). </p>

<p>I've seen a person on the DanMemo subreddit mention that they were apparently deleting "all mentions of that leak and so it must be real." I'm skeptical as to whether or not that is actually the case. If not a story about Ryuu and the Astraea Familia, then what would you like to see?  </p>

<p>I've been out of the loop for while, with college and all, but I finally had the time to catch up on all the episodes I missed. </p><p>Even though the climax of the War Game did absolutely nothing in the way of justice for Volume 6, I thought that the Entertainment District arc was much more well done, especially this episode in particular. </p><p>Compared to the lukewarm fight scenes in the last episode, this episode was really satisfying. The fight against Phyrne induced a lot of emotions, and that set the standard for Bell vs Aisha.  </p><p>Bell's fight against Aisha surpassed my expectations. It wasn't completely at astronomical heights like the Minotaur fight, but it was way more well done that anything we have seen thus far in this season. It covered its LN counterpart in a satifying manner. </p><p>Also, I loved the fact that Ottar's illustration of fury was adapted into the anime. Been waiting to see that look of anger on the normally-calm boaz's face.  </p><p>I really liked the soundtrack they used when Freya walked up to Belit Babili in the beginning, and I thought the non-action scenes were even better than they were in the previous episodes. In the Episode 8, I thought scenes like Aisha's talk with Bell and Mikoto were pulled off in a better way than the fight scenes, that I thought it felt like a movie, with the soundtrack and everything. However, this episode was good in both aspects. </p><p>Overall, this episode alone made the Red-Light District arc for me. The arc was already decent enough, but this episode made it better. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Gold Shadows wrote: <p>Surprisngly a lot of the anime-only viewers felt like the series got a lot darker around the V7 arc. To the LN readers like us I suppose it wasnt as dark as it could've been. </p> </i></div>
<p>I thought that anime-only viewers were running rampant with that opinion. I was so surprised. They have no idea... </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Kevhunt06 wrote:<div class="quote">The Red Emperor wrote:<div class="quote">GodricKharg wrote:
I’m wondering, as I’m Bell x Harem shipper, if there is any known PROOF that harems “are a thing” in Oratorio or its surroundings...?</i></div>
Finn said he considered it at one point. Zeus was into it. <p>I don't see why not. </p> </div>Apollo effectively had a bisexual harem. Hermes is probably all for it. There isn't really enough world building to have much of any idea how most people vies harems in world. </div> <p>That's true... but I guess just from those examples we can safely assume that it was regarded as a fantasy that many/some men dreamed of, either Gods, mortals, or both. Now whether or not it was put into practice on a large scale... that's an entirely different story. I'm not sure about that. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Nk0xx wrote:<div class="quote">I'm fairly confident Welf will do fine. No idea about Mikoto though, Take seems kinda dense.</i></div>
</div> <p>Eh, he'll pull through. I believe in him, especially after those twins blades he brought for Mikoto and himself. </p><p>If he doesn't, maybe Mikoto will slap his face in like she did with the cake. Same goes for Miach and Naaza. </p><p>Welf, despite what he thinks, has already succeeded, in a way. Like you said, he's got this in the bag. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>GodricKharg wrote:
I’m wondering, as I’m Bell x Harem shipper, if there is any known PROOF that harems “are a thing” in Oratorio or its surroundings...?</i></div>
<p>Finn said he considered it at one point. Zeus was into it. </p><p>I don't see why not. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Dante Ryu wrote:
Funny thing is does the low rank familia suppose to do a fight against OEBD in that world so they should do some Captain meeting? Well, I think they choose to evacuate the city rather than helping S to D rank fight against monster. By this, I mean Miach Familia.</i></div>
<p>Well, I mostly just meant the ones who wouldn't weigh them down. So, yeah, non-combatant Familias like Miach's probably won't participate in the final battle. I can still imagine them contributing one way or another though, like maybe killing surrounding monsters to keep them from hounding our heroes, giving them some alone time with our One-Eyed Beast. </p>

<p>Freya killing Ishtar and mouthing, "I love you," to Bell is going to be bone-chilling  if done right. </p><p>As for me, I just can't wait to the expression on Haruhime's face when Bell finally rips apart the choker from her neck... that surreal, unbelievable sense of freedom was a joy to read in the LN. </p><p>I hope they portray her character correctly so that people won't just bash her and claim that she's just there to be a part of Bell's harem. I hope the anime-only watchers embrace Haruhime like the LN readers have. </p><p>I also want to see the White Rabbit being chased by the Berberas, Phyrne getting destroyed by Ottar and company, Mikoto's fight against Samira and her self-sacrifice, and, finally, Aisha laughing hysterically while fighting Bell... such a nice addition to her character. </p><p>Oh, and Harhuhime's voice wasn't what I was expecting, but I thought it was adorable nonetheless. She looks pretty similar to the LN counterpart, except for the fact that her kimono is less flashy here. She doesn't look as mysterious/lonely as she did in the opening, anyone else notice that? The version of Haruhime in the opening looked similar to the LN's version than the one shown in the PV, where she looks like she was drawn a bit different. Either way, it seems like they did a decent job of portraying her. </p><p>As for Ishtar, they seem to have taken her depiction to the next level in the anime; she looks more like a villan here. Phyrne seems to have been taken down a notch in the scare factor, but I'm not complaining. Aisha looks the same as she did in the LN! They all look pretty good so far.  </p><p>Belit Babili looks far more skyscraper-like than I imagined, wow. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Quote: <p>Thank you. Because water is one of the few things if the not the only thing she is really afraid of. Also can you imagine a scene where he is about to give Ais mouth to mouth to help her breath. Then she wakes up when he is only a few inches away. The reaction on both them would be priceless. </p> </i></div>
<p>A cliché, but apt in this case of mutually-interested but awkward youngsters. </p><p>In a heated moment of surprise, Ais and Bell would both be intially caught off guard but would continue to silently stare into each other's eyes, separated by mere inches.  </p><p>Hestia and Lefiya would then proceed to make their sudden appearance to perform their most-esteemed, obligatory art of cockblocking. </p>

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throws <Daphne> to arena of waifus</i></div>
<p>This.  </p><p>She probably won't develop any feelings towards Bell, but man I really like her vibe. A curt girl to keep her clumsy counterpart in check. </p><p>Aside from shipping, I can't wait to read more about characters like her. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Kakerumaiko wrote: <p>I think u should create another thread regarding bromance xD </p> </i></div>
<p>Not a bad idea. </p><p>Even though DanMachi boasts several female characters that'd definitely be Best Girls in other series, it also has some of the Best Bros I've ever seen. </p><p>Also, I definitely second the idea of Bell saving Ais from drowning. It's a longshot, but imagine Ais, in a moment of sheer terror and panic brought out by past trauma, loses her cool and doesn't even think about using Ariel, her mind being overcome by fear. Saving the Sword Princess in one of her few helpless aspects... that'd be the start of Ais really relying on Bell. </p><p>The look on the White Rabbit's face when he realizes he just saved his idol for the first time... he'd be jumping for joy! </p><p>I'm not totally opposed to the idea of a swim date, either. </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Nk0xx wrote:<div class="quote">Quote:
I think it will come down to Bell Cranel and Ais Wallenstein to defeat the One Eyed Black Dragon. While their Familias fight an army of New Breeds of Monsters.</i></div>
Im definitely down for that OEBD Fight.  </div> <p>Not a half bad idea; I like the sound of it myself. </p><p>However, it kind of seems unlikely, given the fact that both Zeus AND Hera Familias, said to be two of the strongest of Familias ever, couldn't kill the OEBD.  </p><p>That is quite the burden to bear if Ais and Bell are to pull this off all by themselves.  </p><p>More than likely, the entirety of Orario's Adventurers will be required to slay the dragon, which is so dangerous as to be called the Living End. </p>