All posts by Drake Atlas
Bell is really not only naive or nice. He is literally the incarnation of a saint and a Arachangel. After everything that Freya has done to him. He still tries to see the good side in her which doesnt exsist. Freya will literally do the same shit, she did to Bell again when someone else catches her interest.
She shouldnt be forgiven and shouldnt be saved either. When Bell wants to become a Hero he needs to do tough decisions and this inlcude things that as well go against promises he made. He made the promise with Syr and when he rejects her, she goes apeshit and goes as far as almost killing his entire new Family.
After that she even tries to manipulate him psychical and physical in believing that she was in her familia. Sorry but there isnt even an ounce of space for redeming Freya here. Bell should have just been cold to her and said that he will never to belong to and be done with it. The punishment for Freya by Bell could literally be to never interact with him and the people he charishes ever again if they are alive or dead.
Bell at this point is literally saving a tyrann who will the same mistake again and again. When he can save someone who can literally manipulate minds and memories just because someone rejects whats going to stop her from doing far worse stuff. Freya at this point is even worse then Evilus because she could literally do the same things these guys do but can make that it never happened. So whats stopping Bell from just saving Evilus now when Freya is even worse.
Right. Let's ignore the "...from the magic salvo" part.
It seems like you really arent capably of simply deduction and logic. Hati is able to eat any magic without bete ordering it to do. Hati was already active before the second magic slavo came. Hati absorbs the second, gets stronger and in return hurt bete also opening his wounds. If you arent capably of such simple deduction then pls be just quiet and dont write again.
Revis being able to hold her own against Ais for as much as it took the Hermes Familia to fight...
No it was a easy clap for Aiz. She wasnt sweating, she wasnt tired and she didnt even use Ariel. She easily won against Revis without even using her full power which didnt matter when she used it as lvl 5.
Aiz wasnt able to put up a fight against Revis at all she was clapped around by her and lost easily against her when a serious hit landed. That is easy defeating someone.
Except that what I am talking about is specifically that Gareth...
What does that matter again. Ottar literally the current strongest adventurer in Orario wouldnt really want to fight the top 3 of loki because they 3 can match him. Revis who is weaker then Ottar wouldnt be either a match for the three. Plus that Revis needs to defend against three attacks from different directions. Gareth as well is vastly superior to finn when it comes to strenght it isnt unreasonable to fly away with a punch from gareth when you cant defend or block it which the others made possible.
Except that the context clearly shows that the narration refered to fighting skills...
So Bete who can predict movements and attacks before they even happen isnt a advantage for you? Not only does this show us that Bete is vastly superior in fighting skills and technique it as well shows us that he has the clear advantage to fighting opponents because what can Aiz do when Bete can literally counter, block and deflect all of her attacks in just his base. Add Beastification on top and Aiz become nothing more then a punching bag for bete and adding Hati would make her nothing more then unworthy dust in his way.
Yeah, that is the thing. It absorbs the magic...
It seems you really arent capably of simply deduction or logic. Flosvirt only absorbs the magic it doesnt copy the propeties of said magic. Flosvirt only boost bete attack power and because Aiz ariel is wind attributed he can use it for little manuveurs because its wind. Flosvirt absorbing Ariel doesnt give Betes Ariels stats boosting effects it only gives him the wind magic. Nothing more and nothing less. If you cant see that when it is clearly shown. Then thats your fault
The claims of two fans against a statement of the author. It is quite clear who has more credibility...
An Author who literally makes mistakes as stating that Zard and Alfia are the strongest characters only to paddly back because Albert is supposedly the strongest. Sorry but Omoris own words here arent much credibly because he constantly contradicts his own written Story. Betes prowess is clearly shown and it is more then reasonable and clearly seen that he surpasses Aiz in every way or form.
Sadly is that in my Bell isnt even a character anymore. He is nothing more then a flesh suit Omori uses to live his dream or whatever. Bell being forgiving and naive could be understandable in the firt 3-4 Vols but at this point it is nothing more backward bending to keep him like this.
Omori has literally been writing 9,5 years at this point with 30+ Vols but he didnt develope at all as a writer. At this point it wouldnt to far to say that he is probably on of the worst writers and that Danmachi is nothing more then a Lucky hit. Which can be seen because his other work Wistoria is not getting any attraction and is mostly ignored.
To add what Angelo said anyone who isnt named Bell would probably die when gives them literly multiple times his own power.
Except that the narration outright states that he is indeed receiving new wounds...
The wounds that opened can still literaly be caused by Hati because it was active that and it is quite that the Hati devours magic on its own without bete needing to think of it.
Never was it said that Revis was Level 5...
Cant you comprehend simply logic? Aiz was completly outlcassed at her first fight with Revis that her wind was practicly useless. She lvls up to lvl 6 and easily claps Revis without her wind. So yes these two fight prove that Revis was lvl 5 in both of these fights because otherwise one of these two scenes wont make sense. So yes you are wrong because that is easy deduction.
She was also sent flying several meters by Gareth with a single punch in SO10
Oh yeah when she fought Finn, Gareth and Riveria. Doesnt hold much of weight when the three of then worked together to fight only for their members to retreat.
I as well agree with @IkariSon here.
Bete has the superior stats here plus his hati and Beastification and that would be the end for Aiz and even Hedin.
Bete was trained since he was young child maybe when he just learned to walk. He has as well been adventuring a year longer then Aiz. Yes 1 year is not much time but when you see what can happned in danmachi in just 1 year Bete definetly vastly surpases Aiz in both battle experience and IQ.
"She'd always had more skills and tact..."
What does that even mean for this discusion? She has more skills and tact for what. Most probably magic and nothing which she excels in. Yeah no shit sherlock.
Not a copy...
No his Flosvirt only absorbs the magic power and doesnt 100% copy a magic. If that was possibly he could have as well just absorbed the magic attacks the demi spirits launched at them and return them over. This was clearly shown and stated so dont interpret things in it which isnt true.
With everything Ikari and I stated it is more then clear that Bete far surpases Aiz with or even Hati or his beastification.
Quote from the LN:...
Maybe you should go and check Bete character page again. Hati isnt only getting stronger by eating magic it as well gets stronger by bete taking damage. Bete was bombarded with magic attack when he was chanting. After he was done and incirated the ones who attacked him he started absorbing the magic from the second blast of magic attacks the wound probably that opened where most likely his magic damaging him then anything else plus that he wasnt fully healed because before this fight he was injuried with cursed weapons.
Taking on someone from the same level is way easier than taking on someone from a higher one....
What does that change? Bete easily trashed a high lvl 6 Phyrne around where Aiz had problems with a lvl 5 Revis (Aiz was lvl 5 as well) with her Ariel. Aiz completly being on par and easily clapping Revis the next fight (in the mission with the Hermes Familia) wouldnt make sense If Revis where to be lvl 6. So yes Bete wastly outclasses Aiz and that only with his Beastification add Hati on top and she is trash in front of him.
Bell had a lower Strength...
Werent your own words that something with Plot armor cant be used for this. Bell had Plot Armor against Hyakinthos and there is no denying that. If Bell didnt knock him out in that punch he would be defeated or even would have died because Hyakinthos didnt give a damn about Apollos orders.
As for your attitude,...
And not being offended by every little thing someone writes seems something that is beyond your capabilities. Just because I am not 100% doesnt mean I am insulting we are in the goddamn Internet for gods sake. If you cant take somehting like this then just stop arguing with people.
It is actually like you said they would 2 lvls above what they actually be. Finn uses his Hell finegas would be a high lvl 7 plus UNK and he is an high lvl 8. Bete Hati+Beastification combo would be able to reach this state and even higher but at that point Bete would probably be burned to death before or after a fight.
Did you even read the series? The only time we have seen Bete using Hati was against Valetta and nerver again and the injuries he recieved was before he even activated Hati. If you dont know what you are talking about then dont write shit.
Hati has been shown to eat magic at a ridicluous amount and is boosting Bete power without a limit. So yes what I said has a basis in comparisson to yours. Bete has shown a incredible huge power spike with his beastification that even a High lvl 6 Phyrne was trashed around by him with ease. Aiz Ariel has never been shown to be such a great boost. Aiz at lvl 5 used against Revis and was trashed around by her, the same revis who was easily send flying by a punch from finn whose strength is really low. So yes my point is proven to be right. Bete would trash around Hedin or Aiz if he uses both of them.
Yes the series wasnt always like this but that changed after Vol 5. Every Vol after that was filled with more and more inconsistent writing, plot convenience and astronamical amounts of plot armor. It is sad but it happened.
Do you read the stuff before you comment? Beastification boosts bete physical prowess by such a huge margin any boost Ariel would and could Aiz wont matter expect that it can deal magical damage. Hati devours magic by a huge scale and get even stroner the more it devours. Omori words dont matter here, with everything that was shown Bete would trash Hedin and Aiz without much of problem because anything they do will only make him stronger.
If you dont want to discuss this then dont comment on every shit you see. Everything I mentioned is backed up by the LN itself it doesnt matter if it makes sense or not because it happend and cant be changed. Yes Aiz tiring out Revis is inlogical and doesnt make sense but it happened and no amount of wining and trying to shoehorn it is plot armor will change that.
Asterius is and was simple stronger then Revis. It is proved and backed up by the source. I dont need you to come around and recite bs that everyone already knows about who knows how a good story is written. Asterius feat are better and far more consistent then whatever Revis has ever shown.
I dont know what Omori is thinking but Bete boosted by Hati and Beastification is probably only beatable by a lvl 7. When Aiz ever fights a bete boosted by both these things she will get trashed, her wind here is absoloutly useless and any damage she deals bete he will return her 100 times stronger (everyone has seen what happened to Valetta). Aiz is strong no question but she isnt stronger then Bete when he uses his full power. Yes this as well takes account Aiz blackwind Ariel mode because it is still magic and wont matter in front of Bete.
In this situation any status advantage Hedin would have wont matter. Bete was able to easily defeat a high lvl 6 Phyrne (she was boosted by UNK) and that was using his beastification. From this fight alone Bete should get a status boost of 600-700 points in each stat because he was faster and stronger then Phyrne. Plus Hati and he would decimate Hedin with no problem because any damage, magical or physical, he deals to Bete will only make him stronger.
It doesnt matter that Ottar can create shockwaves because that concept was only introduced in the EP Freya LN and doesnt hold any weigth for this comparisson. Asterius not only fought for longer a period because he was in the Lower floors for weeks or even months he still fought multiple first class adventurers and still emerged victorious.
Levis having problems against, even if it is incosistent, happened and can be used to determine how strong she was at that time. The conclusion is she was much weaker then Asterios at that point of time (also LN 9 or 10 and SO 7). She probably didnt even catch up with Asterios after all that guy is still fighting in lower floors and most likely even reached lvl 8.
It is incosistent but at this point everything Omori writes is. He did to his work and no amount of denying it can change this fact sadly.
Asterius even at that point of the LNs (also SO 7 and Main LN 9 or 10) should be way stronger then Levis and that by a large margin. Asterius has been fighting non stop especially because it was stated that he was on the lower floors and Helga and Arles needed to inform him.
Sorry but Levis massively lacks compared to this because she goddamn only fought Aiz and was exhausted. Asteries fought hours or even days nonstop in the lower floors then he fought the ganesha members and then needed to even fight the Loki members.
Freya Familia only has 3 three known lvl 4 and one of them is anya. Before you say yes they can, no they cant have more lvl 4s because if they had Loki Familia wouldnt be considered as their rival for the top dog in Orario. So no Hogni most likely fought the Loki girls plus Ryuu himself and as we saw they couldnt even go through him. Let Hedin join this fight and the four would most likely be dead at that point. Like I said the powerscaling in this series is nonexsistend.
Absoulutly understandable that you dont want to participate in this discussion.
Off-topic, but in my country at least you...
Yes you are partwise true but where I live rent for different things are paid seperatly so it was more of personal experience from my side.
I think it was you who mentioned gods training for eons...
Yes i mentioned that and the characters in danmachi are just a reference to the irl part. So I think they should have lived a smiliar live after all waternymphs dont exsist in the danmachi story.
The funny part about the IRL Freya is that she is only the leader of Valkyries and nothing more and nothing less. The Valkyries decided which fallen warrior would be taken to folkvangr and which not they even where sometimes called the daughters of Odin. So yeah Freya has not much to do with this part.
My memory of volume 7 is quite hazy...
Your actually right on the spot. Ishtar removed her clothing to increase the charms effect but that is something consistent in the series. Freya as well wore more clothing when she met Loki because more clothing reduces the charm effect because well less people see you and your body etc. I as well think it makes sense that Ishtar undressed herself after all what is more powerful. I just think its natural after all what is more "sexy" a beautyful woman wearing clothes or wearing nothing. Yes it sounds really bad when you read but i really dont have a better way to describe it.
I'd say in her jealousy she still knew deep...
I really dont think Ishtar cared. She even charmed her own members so that they do what she wants like Aisha. It is just inconsistent writing after all she even worked with evilus to defeat Freya so why wouldnt she just charm everyone and be done sooner after all it can remove/seal memories. Thank Vol 17 for that.
The part where I wrote if you dont know nothing about the Deities etc. was intended towards you and not Omori.
No it is the only definition of passive. We are not talking about something that you need to do gain it we are talking about you only exsisting. Even your example of pasive income doesnt work because you still need to work and do active shit before it becomes something passive. Investing can give you passive income but you need to work and the right investments. If rent someone a house you still need to deal with all their bills like for electricity.
Bells Luck and especially Freyas charm only need them to exsist there is no you need to this to gain this as passive. Charm and Luck are not completly different things they "mental" concepts that exsist because we believe in them. Bell is lucky because he has it in his kit he does not need to anything for it to be active. The same goes for Freya she only has charm because garner of that aspect as a goddess therefore her goddamn sole exsitence makes her to have charm. Freya being able to control it automaticly makes it an active because she needs to regulate it herself. Sorry but thats how it works. Try find something that needs you to be only exsisting to gain it. I can tell you, you wont find anything.
I already said like hundred times now her being able to control makes it an active effect because a passive doesnt work like that. What does Aphrodite matter here she is again a character that people who only read the LN not know about and it is not a good example at all because Ishtar cant do anything these two can. So tell does Ishtar have Freya soul seing eye ability? No she not. Can Ishtar control her charm? No she cant and it was never shown. Even If she can why didnt she just do that instead of working in the shadows to win against Freya. Because she cant Omori rectoned the abilities of Goddesses of Beauty only Freya has cheats in comparisson to other Beauty Goddesses. Vol 17 is a prime example for this. Why didnt Ishtar just did what Freya did and that is charming two entire cities. Because she cant.
Sorry to say this but that is just Freya opinion it doesnt matter here. Freya is not one bit better then Ishtar. The Freya LN and Vol. 17 show this perfectly.
I know that you are out of Danmachi but what is your opinion about this. You dont need to answer if you dont want to but I am quite interested in what you have to say.
Then what is the past of the deities in the series before they came down from heaven? We only know that Loki used to kill a lot of gods and thats it. Dont write something when you know nothing about the characters. They are references and should have lived similiar to their irl parts.
Do you even know what passive means? It literally means that someone or something is not doing anything. Freyas entire exsistence enables her charm and thats it, like how Bells luck or even Finns Ail Mac Midna or even Gareths Ardigalea works. It was never mentioned, stated or clearly shown that Freya (yes only her because she is the special snowflake of deities) can control her charm everything that was shown to us implies heavily that she turn on and off. Freya literally controling her charm goes against anything what passive means because it becomes active because she herself control the output.
Charm in general was described as that it was the goddesses of beauty "essence" because they garner over it. Ishtar herself who is in the same goddamn teriytory as Freya wasnt able to do even half of the bs that Freya does and that is an understatment.
Yes we talk about fiction but what has the perpetual motion thing have to do with charm? It is not even similiar and is not even a possible concept.
If you know they are reference then why are you denying it again? Most gods a homage/reference to the irl part so yes she trained to be the god of smithing. If the irl heph never existed the heph in danmachi wouldnt either so stop denying it for the sake of just denying.
Because Bells luck is a perfect example how passive should work. In games there is always a description or how to activate a passive to work. Bells luck is he just needs to exsist to need it to work and charm is literally the same. Freya charm works because she beautyful thats the only reason there isnt anything tide to it so yes her being able to control a passive ability retcons it of being a passive because she herself freely use it or not.
It does matter that it is impossible. If something like the perpetual motion thing was possible it would change the worlds industry.