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It seems like Freya is willing to lose everything, her fame, her fortune, even all of her familia simply to get Bell, I feel that's what she's going to do, she may even use her divine power to kill Bell to get his soul if she has to

If that happens, what will the aftermath be if Bell survives somehow and how will the Freya familia react

Bell Cranel

Classes to be summoned as:

Ruler: he has no real wish for the grail, but he wishes for it to be in the right hand's instead, but take's a unique approach as a ruler

Saber: due to using swords and knives all his life

Archer: from throwing his weapon's (fate joke), for using Artemis's arrow's to kill Antares (non-cannon)

Berserker: from his time when he was defending the Xeno's and being called out as losing his mind and from his inability to let people be harmed and will help them damned what happens to him in the end

Rider: (non-cannon) from his time riding the dragon to get to Antares to slay the monster, (joke) and from his time "Ride" women's emotion's to make them fall for him unknowingly and unintentionally

Caster: (joke) from getting many mage women to fall for him and thus borrows their magic for his own as well as being able to use magic himself

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Strength A

Agility A++

Luck EX

Endurance A

Magic C

Noble Phantasm E-~EX

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Class skills

Magic Resistance: B+ - Bell possessed the development ability of magic resistance on his falna when he was still alive and thus he possesses this skill as well, and thank's to his battle with the OYBD, it's very high.

Divinity: A - As a first child of goddess Hestia (self-claimed by Hestia herself) Bell possesses a high divinity skill, as well as being a child of the Zeus Familia and being desired and watched by the gods and goddesses, Bell has abnormally high divinity due to how many god's and goddesses are so close to him compared to even the most powerful adventurer's as well as having his status with Freya help boosting it as well

Riding: A - (joke) from all the time he was forced to "Ride" all the women who had a crush on him (no no, it's more or less from him riding the dragon (non-cannon))

Independent Action: A+ (Strong Desire) - due to acting on his emotion's despite all opposition's to do the right thing, he is able to act on his own even if it's against his master's wishes if he is to do the right thing

Essence of the God of Love: A - thank's to the affections and obsessiveness of the goddess Freya, as well as his skill Liaris Phrase Bell has immunity to charm's and high divinity with goddesses of love, this also gives Bell trace amount's of divinity at B rank

Rabitto Futto: EX - this was his name at level 4 due to his high luck, as a result, his luck no matter his class will always be EX due to the blessing of the god's, however, he loses this when facing a god or goddess he acknowledges as good such as Hestia or Artemis, but deal's neutral damage to god's like Ishtar or Apollo as he opposed them in his life

Madness Enhancement (Kindness) EX - this is a special form of madness enhancement as instead of driving one mad, it makes Bell unable to stand still when he sees someone in trouble and is compelled to a molecular degree to help, protect, and save them from any and all thing's threatening them, a command spell must be used to prevent him from helping people on impulse

(Curse) Lust of the Gods: EX - Having been lusted by not only goddess Hestia but also Freya, Apollo, and other gods and goddesses, Bell posses the highest rank of this skill. Every parameter is raised up by 1 parameter, but this skill makes him lose one parameter when faced with a god or goddess type servant as well as be cursed to be lusted after by them no matter the god or goddess, but can have an advantage against divine being's who are not god's similar to how he is able to battle higher level adventurer's with ease.

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Skill's

Affection of the Goddess: EX - Having been loved by not only goddess Hestia but also Freya, Bell posses highest rank of this skill. Every parameter other than Mana and Luck are raised up

Disengage: D - Bell has a history of meeting opponents that greatly overpower him and thus he also has a history of running away. He is able to leave battlefield quickly if he becomes overpowered but battle condition doesn't change after he returns

Battle Continuation - Bell has never been one to give up easily, even if he is pushed past his physical limit's, he will persist and even defeat enemies, such as his battle with

Presence Detection B+ - because of Bell's ability to sense people staring at him even from a divine mirror, he is able to tell where someone is so long as they look at him, as a servant, Bell can tell exactly where someone is and where

Bravery (False) B - Bell is not one to shy away from battle when his allies lives are on the line, and while he may panic, he will lose all fear once he sees someone is in trouble

Mana Burst(false): B(A) (fire)- Can be used only using Kazuki. It's a version of Mana Burst that infuses weapons with magical energy that imparts a fire effect and strenghten Bell attacks. Bell can mix Kazuki with Argonaut for only 10 seconds charge without breaking it(Kazuki can handle multiple charges at 10 seconds, it's important to not go beyond that). If he does so a strike is equal of mana burst skill at rank A.

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Weapon

Hestia Knife C ~ EX: a special knife that was created by Hephaestus with help from Hestia. The knife is alive and will become stronger according to the wielder's status, the weapon is also constructed of Mithril, making it able to conduct magic and there are hieroglyphs written across the blade and it was forged with Hestia's hair and ichor so it is also considered a divine weapon. It is able to withstand Argonaut and Argo Vesta without breaking and is one of the few weapon's able to handle it as well

Hakugen A+: The Hakugen is a long knife that was created by Welf. It has a 35 cm white blade made from a Unicorn Horn, It can also be used to dispel poison so it can cure any form of poison that is not on the level of something from the age of god's, and even then, most of them can be cured by this weapon, it can also dispel some curses as well and even help Bell regenerate, but when an enemy is hit with it, wound's are cursed to not heal till the curse is removed or the weapon is destroyed

Kazuki: A+ - anti-unit - his main weapon made by his best friend Welf Crozzo (Kazuki can also be used as normal sword). Kazuki is not a normal magic sword and is able to store and use magical energy of it's user instead of a normal ones that just breaks after using all energy.

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Noble Phantasm

Argonaut: E~A++ - anit-unit/anti-army - enchances the next action Bell takes. The power of enhancement depends on charge time. The downside is that too many charges leave tool on Bell body and his parameters drop after overusing Argonaut. If even after drop of parameters he will decide to use Argonaut again the parameters will be dropping even further until they all drop at rock bottom(E ranks). Using it at full power(6 minutes charge) it becomes anti-army noble phantasm on rank A++ and it starts first drop in parameters. But thakns to the fact that his parameters are quite high even after the first drop he is still able to keep up with most of his enemies. Bell can use it on hestia knife, his own fist or even his magecraft.

Argo-Vesta: C~A - anti-army - Bell uses it by mixing his Magecraft skill and Argonaut noble phantasm. It can be used on Hestia knife, a knife made by goddess of forge Hephaustos ,it's a blade that has a hair of goddess Hestia inside. It's made completly out of mithril that is great magic conduct. Bell first uses 'firebolt' and then the mithlir dagger absorbs flames. When those conditions are met Bell starts charging both weapon and his magic at the same time. After even a 5 seconds of charge it reaches level of at least C rank noble phantasm. The downside is that Bell can only charge it for 1 minute and it reaches max the rank A.(Also made it up, cuz if I didn't there wouldn't be any point in using only agronaut as a final attack).

Argo-Kazuki: EX - anti-army/anti-fortress - It's Bell strongest attack that can be used only once. By ignoring a limit and fully charging Kazuki with Argonaut it truly becomes an ultimate strike that burns everything in it's way. After using it Kazuki is unable to handle that much of a stain and breaks taking from Bell mana burst(false) skill and leaving him also with dropped parameters from Argonaut and with only Hestia knife as his weapon.

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Background

Massively overestimating Bell, many of these are also jokes as well, and for fun, but hey, that's what this is for anyway

And also has skill's that make Bell able to take on adventurer's and monster's that otherwise would be suicidal for anyone else for their level, and even at their level

Here is a theory of mine, when you level up, you get at least double the current status you have as a baseline when your level is reset when you do level up, if we can assume Hyakinthos leveled up straight at D rank, then even with being a level above Bell, he should have had lower status than Bell since Bell gets double his status from SS and SSS rank on both level's, helping him surpass him even if he is a level below

This is a theory of mine, so don't take my word's at face value, but it does seem reasonable with what we're shown

But that hero is famous for being the greatest hero and slayer of monsters, alongside Cadmus and Perseus, before the days of Heracles

Doesn't that fit Bell to some extent, greatest hero and slayer of monsters that other adventurer's even a higher level have a hard time battling, and if Bell is destined to kill the OEBD, then this is fitting

I'm not saying this is a fact, but it seems pretty clear that if Bell is all to Bell's name, then the intent was for it to have this as a secret meaning or something, at least in my opinion

Was only a though, but aren't many people already names after famous people in mythology, so this does have some base in it, it's not completely impossible, but I see your point

Oh people will definitely see her as a crazed maniac, and even if the guild give her a pass since they need her, everyone else will act no matter that the guild say's

Technically, it's her familia member's that are valuable, so as long as they have them, they are fine, so if Freya is sent back to heaven, then the member's can just join another familia, even if it's hard at first, it would be interesting to see who would join the Hestia familia out of a new found respect for Bell after all that has happened with him being forced to live under the same roof as them, and see what happens to Ottar after this

I completely agree with you, all Bell did was answer honestly, and because he was honest, he and all of Oranio are suffering for it, it's ironic that a god or goddess of love are the most blind to what true love really is, and I wonder of god's become the god's of what they are from a lack of understanding them to be honest, seeing how Ishtar and Freya are in this universe

Darn it, you think they would at least give a range of date to work with, like, maybe Bell turned 14 when his grandfather died which is why he didn't age, that way, we won't be as butthurt about it

Kevhunt06 I took all that into account, and I did indeed have that in mind, but for all that, I do favor Haruhime than the other's since above all else, Haruhime and Bell seem to the best match in term's of personality

Ais does have a reason to act the way she did, but to be honest, when Bell was defending a monster that was kind enough to save a child, she should have trusted Bell, not just think it was okay to attack him to kill a monster, I mean, nothing in life is black and white, and Ais was indeed looking at it like that, personally, I just don't like character's like Ais's that are usually the one's who end up getting people needlessly killed

Ryuu is someone who need's to change a little to make her feeling's more heard before I can change my mind

Lily may have had a tough life, and it definitely got better with Bell, but I still cannot get over the fact she constantly tries to stop Bell from helping other's when it could be to risky when that was the same thing that saved her, I mean, logically speaking, should you save a thief who steal's and uses you in hopes they learn the error of their way's and change their life, or should you have them killed to get your stuff back and make sure they don't steal from you again, which sound's more logical, and which sound's more morally acceptable

I did take the god's POV with Freya, and while she is indeed someone who went through great length's for Bell, if she confronted him before she did all that to him, then I would think she's indirectly helping him, so long as she was ready to stop it when it could go badly for Bell, like is Ottar was close by to stop the Minotaur from killing Bell unknown to Bell, she would then be more acceptable in a sense of "pushing you a little", but her lust for him is that of a stalker more like in my eyes

Hestia is similar, but I stand by my words as is more a mother for Bell since he's in her familia and should accept the fact Bell see's her as family and nothing more

I'm not sure if you agree or disagree with Lefiya when I said what I said about her, and I'm not like many and say Lefiya is bad all around, I actually really like her and her character, it's just she need's to ask the important question's and listen before making accusation's that lead to misunderstandings

I'm just saying my opinion, so their is a little Bias in it, but I stand by my words and reasoning's, I'm not saying any of them are bad, aside from Ais, per say, I'm just making a argument based off my knowledge of the series so far from the manga and anime best I can, as well as their character traits and personalities as far as we seen so far, Ais is changing, but not where I'd like her personally, and call me wrong, that's fine, but I'm just saying what I believe so far from MY understanding of them all

That's the point, it's to teach Bell that his first love should not be on look's alone and someone who doesn't know him to well, it should be someone who he knows and is close to naturally

Ais and Bell's relationship is not only unnatural and only existed because Ais wanted to learn how he was growing stronger and faster, but it was also fragile as Ais seemed to not care about Bell enough to listen to him about the Xeno's until Wiene literally ripped part's of her body out, her feeling's for Bell are no more than her wanting to learn his secret to getting stronger faster, and if she knew, she would have likely never gone any farther than apologizing and then vanishing that instant without a second though

This is how I see it, and as an example of what could have been a healthy relationship in my opinion and who I wish Bell would get with is Haruhime, my reason why is because she didn't use Bell in any way and has been honest with him and only lied to him for his own good, and once she was saved from Ishtar, she did everything in and beyond her power to help Bell and is loyal to Bell to a fault

some can say Lily is good, but she stole and lied to Bell at first, so I am holding that against her a bit

Mikoto love's Takemikazuchi so she's a no go

Enia is not given enough screen time for me to make a proper or accurate enough judgment yet compared to the others as of yet

Ryuu is complicated and is likely suppressing her feeling's for Syu/Freya so she isn't that good in that sense of holding her true self back

Hestia is a bad match since she is more obsessed with Bell since she wants him even if he's unhappy in my eyes, and Bell sees her as a mother figure above all else, and will not violate that relationship, so for me, I respect Bell for rejecting a goddesses love not our of spite because they love someone else, but rather, respect of them as family

Freya is much worse as she would hurt Bell in a near or completely fatal way for her own happiness above all else as well as Bell only meeting her one time and that wasn't much as Bell himself isn't even what Freya is in love with in the first place

Lefiya would be a good contender in all honesty as both are alike in many ways in all honesty and rival's Haruhime in that sense in my opinion if not for her petty jealousy of Bell for something beyond his power and not his fault

And I can go on, but you get what I'm saying, right, Ais is a bad match because she's to focused on her own petty goal of revenge, I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to be mad, but she need's to move on and live her life, or she let the OEBD win before she even faces it

Apocrypha4124312 It's more or less just to make Bell able to summon weapon's that will break for him to kill enemies without need to be to concerned for his weapon's and will be able to adapt to situation's better, like being able to replace a broken weapon in an instant to keep up his front, that's how I imagine Bell using it the most

For me, I'd prefer a ending like this

Ais is facing the OEBD, and due to her hatred and drive for revenge above all else, she let's many people in her familia and many other's in other familia's die simply because she isn't willing to wait for revenge, and not only does she die, she drag's dozen's if not hundred's of people to death with her and get many more injured as Bell saves the day with his powers and determination, and end's up making the harem as he lost his love of Ais learning that you can't fall in love with the first thing you see

@Apocrypha4124312 same, I want Bell to have something like gate of Babylon or unlimited blade works so he can be broken as well, though, I would like him to have it at level 5 or 6 to make sure he can take on the like's of Ottar off sure skill and strategy alone instead of being able to overwhelm him in speed or strength similar to how Archer was able to battle Hercules like that

I actually want to ask that to, in term's of power, where DO both stand in it, for Danmachi, the status and level system and Fates Parameters

So a level 5 Bell will likely be at level 6 or 7 status, especially in speed which may be in the level of a low tier level 9, which is still impressive in of its own in my guesswork here, but I think the Fate rule will somehow limit Bell, but if he is destined to kill the one eyed black dragon, then he will have different stat's I think

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Bell Cranel

Class: Saber/Ruler

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Parameters

(not including the raise due to his skill's)

Strength: A+

Endurance: A+

Agility: EX

Mana: B+

Luck: EX

Noble Phantasm: A+++

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Class skills:

Magic Resistance: EX - Bell possessed the development ability of magic resistance on his falna when he was still alive and thus he possesses this skill as well, and thank's to his battle with the OYBD, it's very high.

Independent Action: A+ - due to acting on his emotion's despite all opposition's to do the right thing, he is able to act on his own even if it's against his master's wishes if he is to do the right thing

Essence of the God of Love: A - thank's to the affections and obsessiveness of the goddess Freya, as well as his skill Liaris Phrase Bell has immunity to charm's and high divinity with goddesses of love, this also gives Bell trace amount's of divinity at B rank

Rabitto Futto: EX - this was his name at level 4 due to his high luck, as a result, his luck no matter his class will always be EX due to the blessing of the god's, however, he loses this when facing a god or goddess he acknowledges as good such as Hestia or Artemis, but deal's neutral damage to god's like Ishtar or Apollo as he opposed them in his life

Dragon's Core: A++ - this grant's Bell immense amount's of magical energy similar to a dragon's power, and can rival most of the weaker god's and goddesses in term's of power, and is much harder to break than other spirit cores, however, he can lose himself in battle if he is not careful and do more harm than good in the process

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Skills:

Cursed Affection of the Gods: EX - Having been loved by not only goddess Hestia but also Freya and other goddesses who desired him as well as some male gods like Apollo, Bell posses the highest rank of this skill. Every parameter other than Mana and Luck are raised up by 2 parameters, but this skill makes him lose one parameter when faced with a god or goddess type servant as well as be cursed to be lusted after by them no matter the god or goddess.

Liaris Freese: A++ - this increases Bell's abilities in a fight to grow stronger and stronger the longer a fight lasts, so as long as he keeps fighting, he'll get strong enough to overpower them, however, this is only if he desires to surpass them that is, and also have the effect of having the power and give him a battle continuation where the harder he is pushed and tougher the battle is for him, the stronger he will become, where he will become more powerful than his enemy/enemies becomes as well as have the skill to take them down

Argonaut (Argo Vesta) E-EX - this skill is entirely situational, with a short charge, it can act as a weak Mana Burst, however, once it's charged fully, it has the power to overcome almost anything in a matter of speaking, even anti-world NP such as Ea or a Barrier NP like Avelon, though, this will cost him lot's of his own mana and will damage him as well, he can either use this in his weapons or body and boost their attack's, and as a servant, the drawback is far less than it was in his life, but combining this with his NP's can have consequences that can get him killed so even if he does surpass Ea or break through Avelon, it will still cost him his life anyway so only if he wants to bring his opponent with him can this be achieved

Slayer of the Black Dragon: EX - this skill drastically increases Bell's fighting ability to dragon/beast/evil/threat to the world type enemies and is used in conjunction with his abilities and power as well as give him a massive boost in power as he can heal as well till he accomplishes his goal of slaying the enemy

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Noble Phantasm:

Kazuki (Dragon Slayer Sword): EX - anti-unit - his main weapon made by his best friend Welf Crozzo (Kazuki can also be used as a normal sword). Kazuki is not a normal magic sword and is able to store and use the magical energy of its user instead of a normal ones that just breaks after using all energy, and thank's to the fact it was this sword that killed the OEBD, it deals extra damage to dragon/beast/evil/threat to the world type enemies, but only if Bell wields the sword for the sake of good, and has the power of the OEBD within the blade to be used by Bell whenever he wields it's power.

Reverse Veil: C- - anti-unit - this is the cloak Bell has to turn invisible with, it's more got getting away, however, caster's or servant's with strong detection's can still detect where he is

Hestia Knife: E~A++ - anti-unit/anti-Fortress - a weapon made by Hephaestus and gifted to him by Hestia, the Hestia knife is able to harm and deal extra damage to Evil enemies as well as divine being's, when unleashing his full power, it will fuse with Kazuki and be similar in power if not exceed the power of the legendary Excalibur King Arthur wielded, however, he can only use this NP 2 time's a week or one time with a 4 day cooldown period or he runs the risk of using all his magical energy and breaking his own core

Argo-Kazuki: EX - anti-army/anti-fortress - It's Bell's strongest attack that can be used only once. By ignoring a limit and fully charging and using all his abilities at once fused with the power of the OEBD within the sword to utilize its power, he can surpass any and all other Noble Phantasm's and cannot be rivaled by even anti-world NP, however, this comes at the cost of his own life so it's a last-ditch effort attack, but due to the power of the OEBD supporting his spirit origin, he can at least use this 3 time's safely, but need's to rest properly after or else he can kill himself using this attack

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Slight difference and better than the last one, but I feel it's either underpowering or overpowering with Bell's level of power in that situation