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You can delete my comment if you want, I guess the insults to the author is nothing if the admins were the ones doing it LOL. Why would they be admins anyway if they keep hatin on the author I'm new here so I really don't understand. I guess I'm outa here then if that is what "disrespectful" is

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Whether you like it or not, that the Knight of Knights is just a Level 6 is actually plausible.

But at the same time it isn't. In story telling perspective, it's actually stupid. I'm not saying its impossible, but I'm just saying it looks stupid.

Not really, it was quite confusing in some parts and I had to re read them a few times to undersand what you meant.

Depends on the readers I guess lol.

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Zeus's last gift. I think the word gift has deeper meaning than you think. It could be Zeus's last child or Zeus's last member, but no, the author went "gift". Even Ouranos got a bit surprised when Hermes told him that.

Hestia would have mentioned it when Bell had a Falna already.

Do you know what hiding something is?

Of course he is, why would she lie about that? And before you try to start arguing, there is a side story, which is also chapter 2 of DM15, that follows Hestia since the moment she came down from Heaven to when she met Bell, and she indeed was unable to make anyone join her Familia before Bell.

Read my comment, I said Bell's first familia, not Hestia's First child. You guys better read up. You looked like idiots to me.

The cloak is just a reference to an actual myth of Norse mythology in which Freya gives it to Loki so that he carries out a job. It won't be explained in the story simply because it has no relevance aside from being Oomori's excuse for not having Loki reveal Freya's actions during the Monster Feria and Loki Familia not getting in Freya Familia's way.

Cool, you're the author right now. HAHA

That Herme thinks of Bell as the last hero left by Zeus. He literally says it in the LN and the anime so Idon't know how you didn't get it.

That's my point, why would bell be called "Last Hero" in the first place? Did he do something to Bell before faking his death? Did he add powers? What? we don't know that's why I said that in question form in the first place.

Because that way if something is too convenient to just casually happen at the best moment Oomori can point out that there is something in the story that justify it. Basically, Luck is Oomori's excuse for plot armor.

Bro chill with the Oomori explaination bullshit, everyone has plot armor, and every plot armor has some kind of backstory into it, I wouldn't be surprised if its the doing of Zeus or something. If you removed everything that Bell has and call it plot armor, he would seem normal and Danmachi would be a bullshit story by now. If you were to make Danmachi I wonder how boring it would be right now.

Because he just knew that someone watched him but he didn't knew who. Basing in how it was no longer mentioned after the fight against the Minotaur, it is likely Freya stopped looking at him after it.

He literally said that the Goddess who said I love you to him is the Goddess who is watching him all the time during Haruhime arc. And why the hell would Freya stop looking at him after the Minotaur fight? It seems stupid and he literally said in volume 16 that the Goddess(Freya/Helun) at the Festival looked at him differently compared to when she was looking on top of the tower before. If there is an explaination for this, I think Bell noticed it was a kind gaze and he isn't afraid of her that's why he is so relaxed. So that's why he noticed the difference of Freya/Helun and Freya.

Because he wasn't able to recognize her. Yes, he was able to see her good enough to read her lips but not to recognize her. If you are gonna complain about that then do so to Oomori not me.

He literally recognized Freya as the one who was looking at him all this time. Better re read volume 7 before complaining lol.

If he knew Filvis and Dionysus being revealed to be Ein and Enyo in SO12 wouldn't have looked like an asspull. Or he wouldn't have said that he had foreshadowed Hera appearing in the serie when he clearly didn't. If anything, Oomori is one of the worst writers when it comes to foreshadowing.

Filvis and Dionysus being foreshadowed to be Ein and Enyo was clearly foreshadowed and clearly explained. Maybe you're too stupid to notice it? Plus why the hell would an author talk about foreshadowing? Where the hell does that Hera appearing come from? Bruh stop making shit. He foreshadowed the one who Revis killed was the one who gave Asterius the axe, He foreshadowed Syr as Freya. He foreshadowed the Barbarian and Knossos. He placed many plot points right now waiting to be revealed. If you can't make sense of what those points were then its because it hasn't been explained yet. I don't know if you just want to blame the author or you're just too impatient or you're just too stupid and just's wants to whine everytime the author makes no sense (which he is doing every now and then but then gets an explaination for it). Danmachi isn't over right now so unless you can see the future or something, please stop complaining to the author if the plot points doesn't make sense. Maybe you don't know what foreshadowing really is.

Basically most of the thread is a discussion about it so I don't understand how you still have doubts about this.

Ha ha sorry I don't have time to scroll down just to see "its oomori's fault" by idiots who doesn't understand the story enough.

Why would he? There is no reason for it. If she tried to do anything to him there is nothing that any of he firneds could do to stop her. Moreover, showing some interest in him doesn't mean she is a threat. Basically every God in Orario is interesed in him and wants him in their Familia but of all of them only Apollo was crazy enough to try to take him by force.

First of all, I said "WHY HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT FREYA" , can you atleast understand that? Freya literally is the reason why he is sensitive to gazes and he won't be able to notice other God's gaze without her. Plus talking about Freya doesn't mean a "Threat". where the hell did I write that? Bell noticed her gaze almost everyday and if it were me I would talk to someone about it right now whether its dangerous or not. Plus her gaze is stronger than anyone so I don't think your explaination is correct.

If anything, Oomori is one of the worst writers when it comes to foreshadowing.

Maybe you're just the worst in understanding or the best in whining. Depends

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Citrus Tachibana

I think everything that has been foreshadowed will be revealed or something, like Bell's grandpa, that cloak something that Freya gave to Loki (I doubt it because it was stated in the side story), What does it mean to be "Zeus's last gift"?, Hermes's relationship with Zeus, Is Hestia really Bell's first familia? Is Hestia hiding something? Why is Bell so special (Special skill, special luck)? Why is luck stated as "protection"? Ais's favor, Loki's involvement, Why bell is so relaxed even though a Goddess is watching him all the time? Why Bell doesn't talk about Freya? Why he just shrugged Freya's I love you during the haruhime arc? Oomori is known for this type of stuff (foreshadowing) so I would love to see some of the questions answered.

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Rqwe1

If you thought KoK was the level 7 and wanted it to be presumed so, for discussions sake, tell Rigel your head-canon first and then ask for discussion to be so.

I thought KoK as the level 7 was common knowledge.

Same for your monsters on the surface theory

I thought I explained it properly.

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That is all I am saying. In other words, the Kniht of Knights could be just a Level 6 powerful enough to keep Ottar under control.

There is no way a level 6 that can have a power of a level 7 can keep Ottar in check, I mean Ottar is basically a level 8 right now based on his stats.

You don't get my point. I'm not mentioning them because they are relevant to the story anymore. What I am saying is that they are an example that someone can have a power above their actual level. That is all I am saying. In other words, the Kniht of Knights could be just a Level 6 powerful enough to keep Ottar under control.

So that's your point, I get it, it is possible that someone can exceed their levels but if that were the case, then there is no way that the guy can keep Ottar in check if he is just level 6 and has this power, because Ottar is a max level 7 right now. If they can exceed their levels then they are just as strong as when they first leveled up (for example you're a level 6 but you can be as powerful as a level 7, I can only imagine that this guy's strength is just close to being a lower level 7 or a level 7 that just leveled up) So I think a level 6 guy can't just keep Ottar in check even though he has a power to exceed his level. But I'm not saying those guys doesn't exist. If someone can keep Ottar in check then they should be a level 7 with or without that kind of power.

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Yes, but that has nothing to do with a beach. When someone says that another person is in the ocean it means they are sailing in a boat. If Finn wanted to say the KoK was in a beach he would had said it.

I meant it to be the same, sorry if I used beach or ocean but the way I used those words are the same. Just on that type of water. I also notice that sometimes the translations of the game is not really the same as the translations of the words that I used to, they sometimes put slangs and something that makes it somewhat different. An example is Umi and it can be ocean or beach depending on the context. So I think we were just misunderstanding ourselves. But the way I'm telling you is that he is near the ocean or somewhere in the ocean.

No, it doesn't. That is why I mentioned Zald and Alfia. You would had understand it if you had bothered to read carefully one of my previous comments.

I know about them but they are already gone and I'm referring to the other level 7 other than Ottar right now. They are out of the picture that's why I shrugged them off.

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It was a grammatical mistake, I meant trip

Yeah I know.

I literally already told you. The other Level 7 and the knight of Knights were NEVER said to be the same person. That is just an assumption made by the fans.

So that makes a third level 7? Doesn't makes sense

That would be unnecesary. Poseidon Familia should be one of the strongest Familias, since they helped Zues and Hera against the Leviathan, so they wouldn't need extra help.

To me, that would be the whole way around. Hera and Zeus helped Poseidon in covering up the hole in a lake considering they were the strongest, Zeus and Hera probably just asked for help since they are better underwater. Its also stated that they worked together to plug a hole and a seal for the Leviathan.

When and regarding what was a beach mentioned?

The other level 7 was in the ocean right? As Finn mentioned?

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He could very well prepare a Minotaur for Bell another time. In short, it wasn't because he could lose, it was because it wasn't worth it.

For me it was both, he can lose and its not worth it.

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Except I didn't. Go back re read my comment.

Not my fault you didn't know lol. I was clearly talking about the Knights of Knights. Who do you think I'm talking about?

"Trip" not "rip". In case you don't now, which is clearly the case, that is mentioned in SO6. Go check it yourself if you don't believe it.

I reread SO6 and I know what you're talking about BUT that "rip" makes it more confusing. Its my mistake I forgot about Poseidon. But if that level 7 is in Poseidon familia then they would already be part of the top familias right? at most he is just sent there to help them because of the absence of Zeus and Hera. Plus Volume 6 mentioned a seal something in a lake but not a beach which Poseidon familia plugged in 15 years ago. So what could the beach possibly mean?

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Then can you tell me why Ottar was so scared in going at an ALL OUT WAR againts Loki Familia, and can you tell me why Finn would be so confident talking about war? Tell me logically.

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Like I said, Hestia already told them she will pay the debt by herself without their heklp. That would count as Bell's help so she wouldn't accept it. Even if Bell insisted in it all Hestia has to do is tell Freya she won't accept it.

Then you're saying Bell wants Hestia to work harder for nothing? No way Bell wants that. But you're right I also imagine Hestia saying that she want's to pay the debt even though its paid. Plus Hestia isn't the one accepting the payment but Hephaestus, Hestia has no room to reject or accept.

I wouldn't be saying this if we didn't have cases like Haruhime, Wiene, the Amphisbaena battle and Astraea Record.

That's why I said there is room for change. If you were open-minded, you would think of it the same way. Plus he won't say those words from volume 16 afterword without changing something.

In the first three he could had made the story have a dark tone and be tragic but backed up. Haruhime was a virngin, Wiene was revived and no one died against Amphisbaena.

If he made it very dark, it won't be Danmachi anymore. Danmachi is known for its happy go lucky stories and if he removes those elements, then where would his story go now?

So no, it isn't that I'm "close minded". I simply know what Oomori is disposed to do to his characters.

Bro, you don't know anything about the future. That's why I'm saying KEEP AN OPEN MIND.

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Except, that is not true. Aside from its mere existence (which was only proved by a singe line of Riveria mentioning there were only 2 Level 7s in the world) we know nothing about where is the other Level 7. The one you are talking about is the Knight of Knights.

Its true though lol. He is in the beach doing something, That's what I mean "ON THE SEA"

Finn stated that on the game. Of course I'm talking about the Knights of Knights. I'm not talking about Zald and Alfia here because Ottar was still level 6 at that time. I'm talking about the present. I know that the other level 7 is the Knights of Knights no need to tell me.

If anything, the KoK being in the sea would imply that they are part of Poseidon Familia since they were said to go in a rip to clean the sea.

Poseidon isn't even introduced nor stated yet. Plus what? go in a rip to clean the sea? who said that? no one lol

Ok, let's take away the sea part and just say the Level 7 is containing a monster. Why? If the Level 7 is powrful enough to make it retreat and survive then it should be strong enough to kill .If they are really not enough then just call someone to hlp them and get over with it. What you are proposing is that they are wasting their time.

You can't take away the sea part because it won't make sense. If he did kill those monsters, he would be back to Orario by now. Then why is he not back yet? Because those creatures live in the sea and if he goes back now then he would leave those monsters to attack other people.

"If they are really not enough then just call someone to hlp them and get over with it."

Who would he call? Ottar? Hell no.

Maybe because if they lose all of Orario and its citizens will be destroyed? If Finn went as far as to ask help in person to the Goddess of their rival Familia means he is disposed to do anything it takes to ensure their victory. Not caling their "hidden ace" like you call it would be stupid.

Then let him leave the beach and let those monsters freely roam the surface and kill citizens as well? That's stupid. Yeah Finn is desperate, but not as desperate as you think it is. If he were to call that guy it probably should be where they are in an ALL out war. Also the Knossos incident affects the Freya familia as well, Finn knows this and even Freya, so Finn knows that they would accept his offer. They won't drink wine while Finn and the Loki familia is fighting for the city's safety.

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That's why I said ganged up lol. Also, would Ottar go so far as killing them to stop them from interfering? I don't think so. Plus Loki clearly said that they need to gang up againts Ottar if they want to fight him. An example of this is Asterius vs Loki familia. He clearly demolished the Loki familia with out Ais, gareth, riveria and Finn, but he was forced to retreat because he knows he can’t take them out if they gang up. Asterius has the same strength as Ottar except he has lower experience. So that situation is probably close if they want to fight Ottar. Plus they aren't barbarians, they wont fight for no reason, the way you mentioned how Ottar would fight would be pretty idiotic, and why would Finn be super confident if he knows Ottar could kill him instantly? Its because Ottar can't.

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Are you talking about the destroyed church? Why would they want it to be rebuild? And the debt wouldn't be a demand. Hestia already told her Familia she doesn't want their help with it and she will pay it by herself. Not to say that Bell would be in no position to demand anyhing from them, at much that they didn't attack his Familia.

No no, I'm not talking about the church but the current home they live in. I imagine Freya destroying it to force Bell. The debt I'm talking about is about is Bell's guilt since if he joins Freya Familia that knife would be meaningless and powerless, Bell would use the opportunity to let his Familia start a new life without him pulling them down (because that debt really is bad for them)... Yeah of course Hestia doesn't want help but I think Bell would do it anyway for the sake of his familia cause they would suffer because of him even though he is no longer part of the familia.

And that is because Oomori is unwilling to do anything tragic in his story, even if it means breaking any logic, and separate Bell from his friends.

Bruh stop talking about things that hasn't happened yet, then blame it to the author. The author even said Bell will even experience something tragic in this volume. Everything has room to change, even the author so stop this nonsense close-mindedness. Also Bell experienced this type of situation but this time, its different, Bell will experience the same situation but againts stronger, more powerful people, I don't think he will be able to escape this.

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No it isn't. You said she just doesn't care about her resources and would be disposed to spent them in something meaningless, while I said she would just use them with a purpose in mind.

Huh? I said she is not scared if her resources is destroyed but I did not say that she would spend it in something meaningless. She paid an awful amount of money to the guild by destroying Ishtar, that's what I meant of not being scared, I did not say anything close to spending on meaningless things. When she did it, she did it to save Bell from Ishtar and that is not something meaningless. IDK where you found the text that I said it was meaningless lol. Better read up.

Except that if there was something like that in the surface the world outside of Orario would be destroyed. Even if your hyphotetical Level 7 monsters existed no battle would last more than seven years(that is the bare minimum consedering said Level 7 wasn't fighting Evilus along them in Astraea Record).

EXCEPT, Its clearly stated "ON THE SEA". It wont destroy the lands cause its from the SEA. And that signifies that that creature is probably living on the sea and that other level 7 guy must be keeping them at bay so that they wont go to land and destroy it (Which makes sense considering he is on the beach for some reason). Oomori also said that he planned to introduce the level 7 guy in Astrea record but for some reason, did not.

Also, you still haven't explained why thy wouldn't call that member for the events of SO12.

Why call him back if there is back-up already there? In a story perspective, why would an unknown person make an entrance in the grandest event? They already have Ottar, Asterius, even those "introduced characters" like Kali were there. They are plenty strong that time and he doesn't need to go back to Orario to help them. He also doesn't have time to go back considering how far it possibly is. The attack on Knossos happened like 2 days after they decided to attack it so it would make no sense if they would wait for the other level 7 to come back before they attack. They already have enough people to do it.

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What hidden ace are you talking about? Loki Familia has nothing like that.

Did you read what I said? I'm saying IF that level 7 was their familia member then he would be their ace.

Ah, no, she isn't. Of course if necessary for her goals she will use them but what you are proposing is not something that would be worth.

That's what I said lol.

Except there is just nothing like that. All monsters in the surface are extremely weak so a Level 7 would easily be able to kill hundreds of them in just one strike(literally). The only thing that could be a threat and is in the surface is the OEBD, and I don't even have to explain why the Level 7 wouldn't go fight it alone.

Of course he won't fight it alone, he is not stupid. I'm also not saying that its the OEBD and if you read Bete's story in sword oratoria, There are clearly strong monsters outside Orario and "weakened" does not necessarily mean very weak, They could be a level 9 something in the dungeon but a level 7 in the surface, that's what weakened means. Those dinosaur monsters that Bell fought outside orario was around level 4 or 3 in the dungeon (spawns on 30th floor) but is said that it has the same strength as an orc (close to level 2) on the surface. There was also a monster that Bete defeated at level 4 or 3 on the surface, It was the monster who killed his tribe... SO if those kinds of monsters exist then you shouldn't erase the possibility that an even stronger monster, stronger than the one that Bete defeated, is lurking somewhere other than the One Eyed Black Dragon on the surface outside Orario.

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Rigel31415 Rqwe1

I don't think the Loki familia would get involved in this to be honest, I can imagine them on the sidelines while Bell is suffering and they were just looking down on the rooftops. The only major familia that would be involved in this is probably only Hephaestus and the rest are the weak ones like Miach and Take. I can see Hephaestus helping Hestia because of their relationship, but I really don't think they're enough to be honest. I think Ais would hate Finn for not getting the familia involved and the final choice that Bell would make would be that he will join Freya familia in exchange of the safety of his members, the rebuilding of his destroyed home and then his Goddess's debt. There is no way Finn interested in this, he's smart enough to think about the damage and the people involved if the top 2 strongest familias would fight for 1 kid (Imagine Bell VS Asterius but times 20 or something). He is not a fool, but Bell is. I also imagine the other Hestia familia members begging Loki familia to help him (like Lilly in season 1) but Loki familia would refuse because of Finn's orders. I really want Bell as a sacrifice right now to be honest, then in the next volume Bell would save Loki familia from something (Like in the 37th floor coliseum cause hes the only one who knows the hidden river) then they would argue on why Bell saved them when they did nothing to help him and so on. Just my thoughts and opinion.

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Chronicler75

If the Loki Familia had a level 7 adventurer at their disposal then wouldn't it be in their best interest to keep that adventurer around to protect the Loki Familia from dangerous threats?

There is simply no need to to protect them cause they're strong enough. No one is strong enough to threaten Loki Familia except Freya familia (can u even call it threat?)