All posts by Percyolimpo

Logical despite our own personal feelings regarding it.

"but clearly it is not that, you just have to look at the background, Ivelda and Celdia were as powerful as Alfia and yet none of them were even remotely close to defeat him"

Again, you are clinging to a broken power system. In AR you had a bunch of level 3 not being killed by a potential level 9. Normally this shouldn't be possible. Even if Alfia was going easy on them, her attacks were enough to make a level 6-7 monster shrill in pain and felt on the surface. These attacks went straight at them yet they survived. Normally this shouldn't be possible. So why was it? Simple: plot.

Same thing for Bell. Yeah, people who were clearly stronger than anything he will ever be failed to defeat the OEBD, but as Danmachi stands today, that no longer matters. Especially when danmachi as the theme of having characters accomplish feats which are supposed to be impossible. Omori just needs to force the bar more.

"Argonaut is as powerful as Ottar's Hildis Vini as long as Ottar has a higher level than Bell"

Bell and Ottar are two levels apart. Bell is a new level 5 (at least on paper), Ottar is a high-level 7. You said Bell might reach level 7, that means a major boost to Argonaut, as the potency of the attack grows in both strength and time. Beyond all that, we don't even know how Omori intends to make that final strike.

"Liaris Freese itself is the demonstrative example of this"

It isn't actually. While the side effects were not in the description, when you look at the actual nature of the skill, you can very much understand where the immunity to charm came from.

"During the final fight against Revis, Ariel evolved and became a white wind that is implied to be more powerful than the black wind"

Dude, we have no idea what the white wind is. At least wait for the explanation before deciding it is bad writing.

"obviously in the Freya arc"

No, I meant the Xenos arc where Bell and Ais fought against one another.

"Which would be a monumental abuse of plot convenience, yes it would be, but that's what we're talking about, how it will be used to win."

I find it weird how you admit there will be plot convenience, yet refuse to accept that Omori simply intends to have his characters surpass despair like they always have.

Even before Omori made that statement the world's future was already based on Bell having that skill. The whole idea is that without Bell, the world is doomed. The skill has the purpose of laying the groundwork for Bell to have the bare minimum to even hope of thinking of defeating the OEBD, not to have Bell reach the same level of strength as the person who once defeated it.

Unless Omori decides that skill evolution is a thing, Liaris Freese is going to stay as it is. We had a whole arc where what you are taking about could have been shown yet there was nothing. If there is any skill that is truly necessary for defeating the OEBD, that's Argonaut.

Bell kept Liaris freese because when Omori decided on the skill he hadn't made the OEBD borderline impossible to defeat.

Yes, the OEBD will most likely be defeated by plot convenience to some extent in the end, however, it is not because Omori has lost control of his power scale that he is going to say screw it and erase a concept that was there from the early days. If he were to do that, I think the 1-year time frame would be the first one to go.

Is it bad writing? Sure. But I find it better to just accept it and continue reading than trying to find logic in something that has lost it and be disappointed later.

For me it's Haruhime

@Rigel31415 I find it far more of a supposition to say that they cannot do so. And in SO4, when Aiz fought with Ottar it is said that the wind could put their abilities in the same field, and I don't remember it being said that Ariel actually made Aiz a level 6 as a level 5 (and in Vol 3 it became pretty clear that level 5 Aiz with Ariel was definitely weaker than level 6 Aiz).

Hell Finnegas and Beastification are also different by nature from Ariel. Ottar is the only character aside from Bell who can have all his status in S999 or near it and that most likely will show difference in his beastification. As for Hell Finnegas, that's a literal curse that Finn carries from his past life which was enough to make him a level 5, 6. Wouldn't surprise me if it was on the same level as Ariel or even above.

@Leinad91 "Ottar's bestialization, Finn's Hell Finegas and Ais's Ariel, have allowed them to overcome the level gap but because they were already at the upper limit of their respective level, it wouldn't have been like that if they had low stats"

Isn't that just supposition though?

"If it were possible to have skills that give a full level boost, Uchide no Kozuchi wouldn't be such a valuable magic"

Uchide no Kuzochi is just Omori's way of making the defeat of the OEBD possible. Actually, taking into account how strong Zeus and Hera were, if Orario doesn't at the very least have a level 10 they are screwed

I wasn't a fan, but saying I hated it is an overstatement

@Zygoat1198 "He only has rejected Freya but she was a goddess anyways and Bell doesn’t want to be with them"

Bell lost that fear on vol 8

I find it rather hard to believe Omori is going to change his plans considering there are already things people are pissed at, he himself says they are proving themselves a problem, and yet has shown no indication of changing them.

Maybe we'll find out if Ais has that kind of control once we get to her arc (or, who knows, next arc)

Check the trivia section in Bell's page

Well, we now know that the heroes before the age of the gods were able to grow stronger much like adventurers today. Falna is only making this process easier (and probably adding skills, magic, etc,)

With this, we know one thing: The container has nothing to do with falna. It was always there.

My theory would be that the container (and the limit of it) is something along the lines of "how far can you reach", and going beyond the limit of that container is "evolving". You grow stronger, faster, etc. The how they can do this was answered on Aedes Vesta and also Astrea Records (and Omori's tweets): struggles. A person has to surpass their limits, being faced with a situation they can't deal with, and for that, they need the will for it. Will is the key factor. And once you surpass that situation, one you shouldn't have been capable of surpassing, you surpass the limit of your container.

This is the best answer I can give since Omori kept the whole thing rather vague. From the looks of it, falna causes growth to work in a different way. Before children grew stronger on the spot, but now they need a status update. Why? We don't know.

@ThatRabidPotato no, you're not the only one. I prefer the MS, but SO also has a lot of merits

Aside from magic, I agree.

I don't think Zeus will physically appear, since in Aedes Vesta Omori kind of pointed out that Bell and Zeus's reunion wouldn't be exactly what one would call a reunion, but I do believe he will have a certain presence

Bell wins

A draw is not possible, since Ottar is literally saying he won't let Bell save Freya without defeating him. And at some point Bell would have to face the current mightiest and this seems to be the only moment when it can actually leave a mark in the story. Any other time it will be: okay Bell, become the mightiest so we can move on.

No way it's going to be 1 v 1 though. Most likely Aiz and Bell vs Ottar

She probably did. Freya herself says that Ishtar wouldn't pick a fight if she didn't know she could win

There is that aspect that he knows Freya is Syr, that Syr has helped for ages, and that he is aware of how Gods can be absolute scumbags. He is also aware that he hurt her and it is clear that she went so deep that she is quite literally going mad. All of this, plus his nature to find the best end possible, results in him wanting to save her. Also, at the end of vol 17, I think Bell clearly showed his anger towards what had been happening those last couple of weeks.

The thing is that the whole is rather complex. It isn't just "I was kidnapped and tortured by the goddess of beauty because she can't accept a no for an answer".

Also, if I remember correctly when it was with Dix, Bell had no intention of forgiving him.

Aiz with the black wind consuming her and it being strong enough to crack a durandall weapon couldn't beat her

Same as Noon